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Pros and cons - Juki F600, Janome 6500 or 6600
Akay
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Date: 12/14/09 4:31 PM

I've already gone through the pros and cons of the Bernina 230 & 440 for quilting, and tried the Vikings but wasn't all that impressed. I'm now trying to very deliberately look at the pros and cons of the Juki and Janomes. I have a complete list of all the features of the Janome from their website. I wanted to compare with the Juki but their site isn't detailed enough and I can't find a comparable list. In an ideal world, these are the must-haves:

1. wide harp for machine quilting large quilts.
2. a work horse that isn't temperamental. I don't like a machine where the thread tangles and breaks, where it won't stay threaded if you sew fast, or that won't keep up when you are feeding through large lengths of fabric.
3. Feet that are easy to swap out.
4. Bobbins that wind smoothly without getting hung up and that don't need special treatment while winding in order to work well in the machine, and where the thread feeds evenly onto the bobbin.
5. All metal parts, metal feet, metal bobbins (I know this is almost impossible to find now)
6. Can use any type of thread including upholstery weight without jamming
7. Works as well on organza as it does on a quilt, knits, or upholstery fabric.
8. Will sew piping and pillows, sofa or chair cushions, etc (I know, I used to use an industrial machine for upholstering but I no longer have access to one).
9. Will last 30+ years.
10. Doesn't need oiling after every use, doesn't collect lint under the needle plate, etc.
11. Works well for machine piecing small pieces and complicated quilt block patterns.
12. Doesn't chew or mash up edges when you are sewing 1/4" seams.
13. Hems blue jeans without stalling at the thick seams

I'm sure I'm leaving something out (just edited to add a few things), but I would appreciate if anyone can list all the pros and cons of the above machines. I've read everything I can find here on each machine, so this may be duplicating some of what you've already written somewhere else, but I got caught up in the Juki fever and realized I need to be calm, focused, and reasonable about the two machines.
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Date: 12/14/09 4:59 PM

If any plastic-geared, circuit boarded machine built these days lasts 30 years, I'd be surprised.

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Date: 12/14/09 5:39 PM

I own the 6600P and it meets some of your criteria but not all.

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Date: 12/14/09 8:10 PM

Can you be more specific please? I'm actually looking for anything people think is wrong with either of these machines, more of the cons than the pros. I know most of the pros.

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Date: 12/14/09 8:15 PM

Quote: Soolip
If any plastic-geared, circuit boarded machine built these days lasts 30 years, I'd be surprised.

That's true of any appliance made today, but I do take very good care of my machines and tools. I have a hand-me-down Singer that is over 50 years old and still runs smoothly. If it machine quilted better, I wouldn't be looking for another one at all. It also doesn't reverse, which after all these years is getting tedious. I've never had my own brand new machine before and I don't want to make another mistake (I am in the process of trying to return one I purchased that is defective).
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Date: 12/14/09 8:51 PM

The con on the top of my list of all said machines is the motherboard. And the pro is also the motherboard.

Worn plastic gears are cheaper to replace than a motherboard. But the said machines offer so much ease of use.

I really don't see huge differences between the Juki and the Janome as far as features and the bed. It would come down to user preferences--you really will have to test drive them all and find out for yourself which one you prefer. If you're looking for a "wide harp," then why not the Janome? Still, others have said that a "wide harp" is not necessary for quilting.

I really need to test drive the Juki even though it has received so many, many rave reviews. I just have the case of the what-ifs. I can definitely wait until I can get my hands on one to test drive. I would rather wait for years than own a machine that is over my budget, and on top of that, hate it. Plus, my geeky friends have always said, "Don't buy first generation."

Your must-have list for a dream machine paints a picture of a machine that will automatically adjust to the person and the challenges that she gives it--practically like a robot with ESP. Effort from her would be merely to sit infront of it and hold the fabric in place. The machine will do all the thinking, automatically adjust for all known challenges, and anticipate all unknown challenges and be ready to handle them on the fly. Basically, its first objective is to keep her happy and frustration-free, and to maintain it throughout the project, start to finish. On top of that, the machine needs to be self cleaning like an oven.

It would be cheaper to hire an experienced seamstress or tailor. Or buy a handmade quilt.

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Her needlework both plain and ornamental was excellent, and she might have put a sewing machine to shame. ~James Edward Austen-Leigh, about Jane Austen



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Date: 12/14/09 8:54 PM

i just bought a used 6500, it sews nicely but i wouldnt buy it again. As for the decorative stitches, they are weird. Not delicate at all, very manly. Very "hard" so to speak. I like rather delicate zig zags, and pretty stitches. It is kinda loud to be sewing at night. It is Very heavy, cant take to classes unless you have a rolling tote but I wouldnt do it. I dont love it, hard to explain but I cant fall in love with it.

Maybe cuz its so big and I am not used to it. I more than likely will be selling it by the middle of the year. I am already investigating other brands.

As far as delicate piecing, I havent tried it yet. But It has a speed control. so I imagine it does fine. The bobbin is hard to get used to, but once you do it its fine. Just gotta be careful when winding the bobbin, its has to be perfect otherwise the machine gets angry.



-- Edited on 12/14/09 8:57 PM --

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Date: 12/14/09 10:30 PM

Janomes are great..mine lasted 27 years with no problems..I never once had it serviced..I'm guessing I could of gotten a few more years out of it if I had..I'm going for the Juki this time..

OOOPS..HIT IT TWICE
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Date: 12/14/09 10:31 PM

Janomes are great..mine lasted 27 years with no problems..I never once had it serviced..I'm guessing I could of gotten a few more years out of it if I had..I'm going for the Juki this time..



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Date: 12/14/09 10:34 PM

i may be selling this 6500 and getting that juki, Not sure. Am waiting to hear all the bad stuff first on the Juki

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