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Date: 2/7/10 10:11 PM

I am looking to upgrade from my serger Janome 644d. I have been considering the MO734 (or maybe 735) because I know it is a solidly made machine. But I don't have a Juki dealer anywhere near or even 100 miles from here. I have looked at Elna 745, and would consider the 845. I want to reserve the possibility to get the Janome CoverPro1000CPX later. Or maybe work out a good deal to get separate serger/coverstitch machines at the same time. I haven't talked to the local Janome or Elna dealers lately, to see if I could get a deal.

I think I could be happy anyway I went brand wise but I am hoping for additional advise on the best option. BTW, what is the going price for a 1000cpx?

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Date: 2/8/10 0:10 AM

I hope you get to try them before you buy to see which one you feel is best for you.
I have not used any of the models you are considering but I do have an Elna 744 coverlock. I can tell you what I like about it and that is ..it is only a 4 thread but does 17 stitches that include 3 different cover hems besides all of the overlock stitches and chain stitch. It has a special feature that you push a lever and it inserts your thread chains into the stitched seam.
It converts fast to coverhem because the needle bar tilts and it is easy to change the 5 different needle postions. The tensions are automatic..just dial the stitch you want and for cover hem there is no removing the thread cones..just thread the 3rd looper which is the chain looper and it has a self threader..change needle postions, and there is no foot or plate to change, just a couple of switches to flip.

In looking at the models you are interested in I think the Janome Elna models are much alike now that Janome heads Elna.
The Janome 1100D seems nice and very similar to my Elna both having only 4 threads but I don't think this Janome has cover stitch. It does have the auto tensions and it also has a built in blanket stitch I think..and it has tilt needles.

As for the Elna 745..it has the tilt needles and auto tensions and I think a built in blanket stitch in the stitch dial. It is a 5 thread so I don't know anything about the ease of changing over to cover hem with this model. I have found that 5 thread coverlocks do take more time to convert over.

The Elna 845 seems to be the same machine as the Janome 1200D. Both are 5 thread and I think lack the tilt needle bar that the Elna 745 does have. I think (just my guess) the reason the 845 and 1200 might not have the tilt needles is because both do "top" coverhem besides regular cover stitch and there might be a special device needed near the needles for this and might prevent the needles from having a bar that tilts them for easy needle change.
If these newer Elna models are like mine, then you will enjoy that they are nice and quiet yet very sturdy and heavy duty.

As for the Juki, I have never tried that model either but from what I have seen, one cannot go wrong with a Juki. You say you have no Juki dealer near..but if you have a local Bernina dealer near by you will probably find a very similar Bernette model serger to this one because I think it is known that Juki makes the Bernina sergers but I think you will also find that the Bernette model will cost a bit more.
As for the Janome 1000CPX, I think there have been several varied prices posted in the coverlock threads about this new machine. I seems to have a few nice features over the older models.

I hope you make the best decision and hope you let us know which you choose and how you like it.

ETA..sorry, I get rather long winded at this time of night

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Date: 2/8/10 1:38 AM

I don't have any experience with the Elna 745 or Janome 1100D, but I recently bought a Juki MO-735. I've only had it for two weeks, but so far I'm very impressed. Prior to that I'd used a Janome-made Kenmore 3-4 serger. I still love the Kenmore, but the Juki had several additional features I wanted. The Juki's stitch quality is outstanding, and it does a great job on both heavy and light materials. If you are considering getting a separate coverstitch machine and don't need the 5 thread safety stitch, then the Juki MO-734 would be all you'd need. As far as I know, they are essentially the same machine mechanically.

I didn't have a Juki dealer nearby either, so I bought my MO-735 through Amazon.com Marketplace. They had it available from two vendors (Sew Vac Direct and Ken's Sewing) for $799. That price included the 8 piece accessory foot kit, which some dealers sell separately for $199.

Incidentally, I also have the Janome CP1000, and believe that having a separate coverstitch machine is the way to go. Although the Juki does a nice coverstitch, it is still much more convenient to have a separate coverstitch machine always set up and ready to go. If your Janome dealer would give you a good price on both the 1100D and the 1000CPX, that would be a very tempting option.
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Date: 2/8/10 6:58 PM

Thanks for the tip on Amazon pricing. I had not considered that route. Did you have a chance to sew with the Juki before you purchased it?

After looking at Amazon and then the SewVac's site, there is a $200 difference in price. I wonder if SewVac would honor the Amazon price if I went through them directly.
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Date: 2/8/10 9:00 PM

No, I didn't have a chance to try out the Juki before I bought it. There is no Juki dealer within a reasonable driving distance to me. However, I had done quite a bit of research, and it was one of the few reasonably priced machines would do a true 5 thread safety stitch, which I needed.

But I should point out that The Juki 735 does a bottom coverstitch only, similar to many of the standalone coverstitch machines. From what I understand, the higher end Janome/Elna sergers will do both a bottom and a top coverstitch if that is something you'd find useful.

Sew Vac Direct would probably honor the Amazon price if you call them. It's worth a try. Just tell them you saw their pricing on Amazon.com, but that you would feel more comfortable buying directly. One of the reasons I decided to buy mine through Amazon is that I had an Amazon gift card, which I was able to apply to the Juki purchase. Sew Vac Direct was great. They shipped very quickly. They are authorized Juki dealers, so the machine arrived with a standard Juki warranty. The only downside is that the dealer who sells the machine is the one who services it. So in the event something goes wrong, you and I both would have to ship it back to Sew Vac.

So far I'm really impressed with the Juki. With a few minor differences, it is the same machine as the Bernina 1300 MDC, but without the Bernina price tag.


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Date: 2/8/10 10:00 PM

That was the reason why I decided to seriously look at Juki. I know they have a decent reputation but I am sure that Bernina wouldn't necessarily farm out their label to a schlocky brand.

Buying online from a dealer so far away from Vermont is risky business. I almost would rather put my money into local businesses, namely my faithful Janome dealer. He has some health issues and looking to retire within 5-7 years... but at least there are other Janome dealerships in Vermont. As for Elna... the tech there is phenominal. He also loves vintage machines, he started with Singer in the 50's. When Singer closed shop he started selling Elna and has been with them since. He was not happy about the Janome aquisition but still will not give up on Elna nor will he sell any other brand. His prices are very high. But I might be able to work a deal with him if I go with the Elna 745 plus their coverstitcher.

Basically it comes down to which deal is the best and which machines give me the features I want.

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Date: 2/8/10 10:07 PM

I'm pleased with my Juki MO735 but it does not have the free arm or space to the right when coverstitching like the Janomes. There is no way you can decoratively stitch down centers of garments like they show on the Janome brochures. The stitch is wider than on other sergers I've used, but it makes up in the adjustability to run multiple types of decorative threads through it.
There is also the fact that the manual is pitiful and if you have little serger experience it can be a handful for a newbee.
My Juki dealer is a certified tech and doesn't sew...he didn't even know how to thread the coverstitch...he let me borrow his Japanese dvd on it's operation. Good thing I'm a visual learner.

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Date: 2/8/10 10:16 PM

Doesn't Juki have a workbook besides the instruction manual?

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Date: 2/8/10 10:42 PM

If you know of a workbook, I hope you'd share that information. I spent $160 on four Saturdays of lessons on another Juki dealer almost 40 miles away. It was well worth it...and I do not regret it.

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Date: 2/9/10 0:04 AM

I got a video with my Elna and it shows all that is needed to know about the use and care of the serger. There are also 3 books (not workborks) available for purchase for using the coverlhems..and also one book I think is mainly about the use of the different feet.
Also the Elna and similar Janome coverlock machines are larger than most sergers..almost the size of some sewing machines. They have a large D area..or space to the right of the needles with all the space needed but the Janome CP models I think are a bit larger.
Elna coverlocks also have a nice wide stitch. I believe newer coverlocks have a 7mm cutting width and older ones like the 744 and 945 (which is the computerized model) still being sold have a 9mm cutting width.

If you wish to purchase from your Elna dealer as you indicated, and you want a Janome 1000 then you might consider the Elna 434 cover hem only machine. I think it is the exact same machine as the Janome. You can see it on the Elna website, if you haven't already. I don't know if it is more like the Janome 1000CP or the newer CPX. It did come about after the Janome 1000 but before the CPX model.
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