Sewing Patterns, Pattern Review, Sewing Classes, Sewing Machines and Sewing Machine Reviews!
Platinum Sponsor: Stylish Fabric
Over 20,000 of high quality reorderable fabric

[SIGNUP - FREE Membership & 1 FREE Sewing Lesson ]
[Sewing Classes|Shopping Bag Your Shopping Bag|Login|Help]
Sewing Review and Pattern Reviews Sewing Knowledge Base Sewing Patterns Sewing Classes & Sewing Lessons Sewing Machine & Embroidery Machinery Sewing Message Boards Sewing merchants Blog Help/FAQ About Pattern Review
Enter your e-mail address:




Advanced Search
Tags
New to PR?
Sewing Machines
Compare Sewing Machines
Sewing Machine & Serger Reviews
Embroidery Machines
Sewing Reviews
Sewing Patterns
Review Gallery
Sewing Books
Sewing Supplies
Sewing Websites
Sewing Stores
Sewing Class Reviews
Sewing Expo Reviews
Sewing Tips & Techniques
Sewing Podcasts
NEW!Fabric Glossary
Sewing Review Requests Add a Review Request
Your Account
Edit Profile
My Page
Favorites
Wish List
Pattern Catalog
Notifications
Friends of PR
Join Friends of PR
Find a member
Deal Corner
Photo Album
Calendar
Chat Room
Chat Schedule
Chat Transcripts
Sewing Classifieds
Add a Classified
Sewing Contests
enter contest
contest report
contest gallery
Favorite Links
reviews with comments
merchant gallery
article archive
newsletter archive
Craft Resources
contact info
shipping rates
returns & refunds
testimonials

Platinum Sponsor - Stylish Fabric
Stylish Fabric
You are not logged in. Login here.



Message Board > Sewing Machines > Negotiating with a dealer on a new model ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

Please LOGIN or Join PatternReview
Go to Page:
Negotiating with a dealer on a new model
Wondering what I'm in for if I decide to buy the Janome 7700 shortly after launch
asilversun
asilversun
Member since 3/6/10
Posts: 4
Login to reply to this post

Date: 3/31/10 4:39 PM

I've been slowly narrowing down my new machine choices and its looking very likely that I'll go with the new Janome. I'm upgrading from a Bernina 930 that I bought used, so I have no experience with dealer negotiations.

I'm looking for any insight into how flexible dealers are likely to be when a machine is brand new and (probably) in high demand. One of my relatively local dealers has already advertised her launch party with a mention of special pricing, just for that day. Another dealer has not mentioned what she's doing yet.

One of the reasons I'm trying to figure out how flexible they might be is that I live in a state with sales tax, but very close to the border of a state that does not have sales tax. The dealer I'd prefer to go to (only because she's slightly closer) is in my own state but has, for other models, said she'd match prices including the lack of sales tax. That's great, but if there truly are specials that will only exist on launch day, I won't be able to comparison shop. I will not know the price at the tax-free dealer if I go to the closer dealer, so I'll just have to trust that it's comparable.

So now that you know my complicated backstory, I really am just wondering things like:
*How much bargaining is going to be possible on that day;
*Whether "launch day" specials really are likely to be only for that day;
*Whether pricing is likely to be consistent across dealers in the short term;
*How long it would be after launch before a sale on a new model might happen;
*etc.

Any tips are so much appreciated! I'm starting to think it might make sense to hire one of you to come along with me to take care of business. ;)

SewBusy63
star
SewBusy63
Intermediate
Member since 12/10/07
Posts: 4385
Login to reply to this post

In reply to asilversun


Date: 3/31/10 5:06 PM

You have asked a very good question! I plan on trading in my MO200 QC for the 7700. Of course, the cost of the machine is going to have to be right.My dealer usually will not take machines older than 1 year old for a trade in. He did it for me once, though, and I am going to see if he'll take my 6600 as a trade in as well. I have gotten very good deals in the past from my dealer and I hope to this time as well. My dealer is not having a launch party, but I plan on going the first of May and be there when they open. I am interested in hearing any tips from others as well.

Diana

------
~Diana~

♥ Bernina 830E ♥ Bernina 1150MDA serger

✝The Lord is my Light and my Salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1✝

asilversun
asilversun
Member since 3/6/10
Posts: 4
Login to reply to this post

Date: 4/3/10 6:58 PM

Diana, it looks like we're on our own with this! I guess we'll just have to go on faith and gut instincts if we decide to buy on the 1st. My gut tells me we won't get much leeway when it comes to the price. I'm sure the machine will be in demand that day and anyone who decides to buy it then obviously really, really wants it. I can't believe they'd come down much on the price, knowing that. But that's just a hunch.

Good luck with the purchase if you decide to go for it!

sewpatty
star
sewpatty  Friend of PR
Intermediate
OH USA
Member since 1/9/10
Posts: 394
Login to reply to this post

In reply to asilversun


Date: 4/3/10 7:23 PM

Hi asilversun,

Congrats on the excitement of getting a new machine!! Something to consider about a machine that is probably more important than just price is your dealer reputation, support and service. Let's say that a nearby dealer with great support and service is offering at $50 more than the next dealer you know little about. How long do you plan to own that machine - 5? 10? years? Dilute that $50 by 5 or 10 years and you are talking about $5 or $10 a year.

Something else to keep in mind, if you invest in a local dealer, you are investing in your community. The money and taxes you spend there all go into your community. That is very important. Trust me, I am not going to turn a deal down but I try to think about all of the other factors involved in my purchase.

Instead of price, you might be able to negotiate adding some accessories or giving you an accessory package at 50% off. Offer cash and ask what discount they will give with cash. You local guy might not charge sales tax if you pay cash.

These are just a few items to keep in mind. If the thought of all this is stressing you out too much, maybe you need to step back from it a little and re-think what you are doing. I know that was happening to me when I was considering something new. I was getting hung up over $50-100. $50-100!!! Life's way too short to stress out over $50-100.

Good luck and enjoy your new toy!!!

Patty

------
Machines:
Juki TL98Q Lockstitch
Juki Exceed F-600
Janome Coverpro 1000cpx Coverhem
White Superlock 1900 Serger
Juki 644D Serger
Featherweight 221K

poplin
star
poplin
Advanced
WA USA
Member since 5/28/06
Posts: 1355
Login to reply to this post

In reply to asilversun


Date: 4/3/10 8:50 PM

I was just about to reply and ask if you have a husband, a partner, a trusted sibling or friend who can help you with your dilemma.

Quote:
Any tips are so much appreciated! I'm starting to think it might make sense to hire one of you to come along with me to take care of business


Or you can always holler at your PR friends in your state or your neighboring state and ask if anyone there is interested in purchasing or, at least, test driving, the 7700 too. See if one of them would be willing to drive to that other store, call each other and report. You never know...

If you plan on taking classes, you might want to take into consideration time traveled and gas spent. Those free classes, assuming that they come with the machine, won't look so free if you have to drive to the next state to take them.

------
Dec 2012: 2 yards

Her needlework both plain and ornamental was excellent, and she might have put a sewing machine to shame. ~James Edward Austen-Leigh, about Jane Austen

LuceLu
star
LuceLu  Friend of PR
Advanced Beginner
NY USA
Member since 8/4/06
Posts: 1500
Login to reply to this post

Date: 4/4/10 1:49 AM

Call the other dealer with their price before you go to the launch party. She can always confirm it. Dealers often get volume pricing discounts depending on how many machines they move in a year. That is why some dealers can afford to sell it lower than another. Sometimes the savings is significant, sometimes not.

My experience is that I have not always gotten a great deal with trade in. Sometimes they are the same deal with trade in or without. I know that there are many secondhand machines out there for sale so I can't really say you will do better selling it on your own (but you might).

For a brand new machine, it may be practical to go with the close dealer for firm ware and mechanical updates as well as maintenance.

Gingersnap1932
Gingersnap1932
Intermediate
OR USA
Member since 8/30/07
Posts: 36
Login to reply to this post

Date: 4/4/10 2:14 AM

Being a purchaser of over 6 machines in the past 40+ years, my 2 cents worth -- go for the dealer. When you are buying any new exotic machines you need all the support you can get and the people you have to work with for the life of your machine can make or break your enjoyment of a new machine. Class support, technical support, and moral support are valuable as the machine itself - GO FOR THE DEALER! you will have a long relationship.

SewBusy63
star
SewBusy63
Intermediate
Member since 12/10/07
Posts: 4385
Login to reply to this post

Date: 4/6/10 8:51 AM

I am eagerly awaiting May 1st! I just sold my 6600 last night so I will be trading in my MO200 and paying cash for the balance. I am very excited! I have figured out various pricing so I am ready to negotiate the price. My dealer may not even have them in stock on the 1st, but will have the floor model to test. I'm hoping they are in stock so I don't have to wait for one to be ordered.

Diana

------
~Diana~

♥ Bernina 830E ♥ Bernina 1150MDA serger

✝The Lord is my Light and my Salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1✝

marjoryt
marjoryt
Expert/Couture
MS USA
Member since 8/1/06
Posts: 274
Login to reply to this post

Subject: whew! glad to see someone has heard of this machine Date: 4/6/10 8:03 PM

I'm assuming this is the "Harmony" machine? I received an email about it from Janome this morning.
Talk about a tease - I couldn't tell anything except the harp area is bigger....

SewBusy63
star
SewBusy63
Intermediate
Member since 12/10/07
Posts: 4385
Login to reply to this post

In reply to marjoryt


Date: 4/6/10 11:36 PM

The 7700 QCP Horizon is what it is called. You can find info on sites from the UK and Canada.

------
~Diana~

♥ Bernina 830E ♥ Bernina 1150MDA serger

✝The Lord is my Light and my Salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1✝

Go to Page:
Please LOGIN or Join PatternReview
printable version Printable Version

* Advertising and soliciting is strictly prohibited on PatternReview.com. If you find a post which is not in agreement with our Terms and Conditions, please click on the Report Post button to report it. Sewing Machines >> Negotiating with a dealer on a new model

Merchants on PR
Elliott Berman Textiles
Fabrics for Greater Ideas
Deals!
Gwyn Hug
Fabric Shopping Help!
Deals!
Lanetzliving Vintage Sewing Patterns
Vintage Sewing Patterns
Deals!
Style Arc sewing dress patterns
Patterns That Fit
Web site
Victoria Jones Collection
Timeless Hawaiian styles
Web site

Copyright © 2014 PatternReview.com® , OSATech, Inc. All rights reserved.
Conditions of Use | Posting Guidelines | Privacy Policy | Contact Us
Online Sewing Classes
Create a Jacket Muslin
Fee: $29.00
(Regular $49.00)
Create a Jacket Muslin

Online Sewing Classes
Put it on the Bias
Fee: $49.00
(Regular $49.00)
Put it on the Bias

Simplicity 2700
photo
Review by JennyAnne on 1/7/10
Read Review

Kwik Sew 3527 Pattern
Kwik Sew 3527 Pattern

Details
Price: $10.99
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Butterick 5893 Pattern ( Size XSM-SML-MED )
Butterick 5893 Pattern ( Size XSM-SML-MED )

Details
Price: $17.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Butterick 5357
photo
Review by sewin on 10/3/10
Read Review

Dixie DIY Ballet Dress
Dixie DIY Ballet Dress

Details
Price: $4.00
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Lily Bird Studio Amy's Peplum Top Digital Pattern
Lily Bird Studio Amy's Peplum Top Digital Pattern

Details
Price: $9.90
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Jeans for Real People DVD Set
Jeans for Real People DVD Set

Details
Price: $24.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Sewing Workshop Icon Shirt
Sewing Workshop Icon Shirt

Details
Price: $22.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Subscribe to PR Message Board Feed Subscribe to the PR Message Board Feed Add to My Yahoo! Subscribe at NewsGator Online Subscribe at Bloglines Add to MyMSN