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need to add ease in consideration of concealled carry
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Date: 4/13/10 12:45 PM

not to start a political topic. I am a concealed carry permit holder. The problem I have now is I need to work up some slacks patterns that give me room in front (ease) to conceal the weapon and holster.

I am also a rather slightly built individual (that's putting it mildly) so by the time I find something that might give me room in the front just below the waist, often the waist is so big it's falling off and the back side is horrible baggy, and I won't even discuss the thighs...

Is it possible to modify slacks or jeans just to provide more ease direclty across the front (about the appendix area) and still taperback in at the waist and thighs? Can you add only to the front and not the back side?

I think what I need is something sort of "tulip shaped" but that is more commonly found in skirts. Can you even do that with pants? How?

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Date: 4/13/10 1:58 PM

I don't think a small person can conceal it in slacks. Have you considered a vest or jacket that fits loosely. There are some patterns designed to carry possessions while traveling. Maybe one of these.http://www.saf-t-pockets.com/

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Date: 4/13/10 2:25 PM

You certainly could add more room just in the front, or even just in one side of the front. It seems like the problem would be that you'd still need the waistband to be relatively snug, in order to hold everything in place. Does the holster clip to the pants or underwear, or is it all just held by friction? You might get a decent result if you used hidden elastic, to keep everything flexible but taut - something like Debbie Cook's hidden elastic waistband method.

What an intriguing topic (that I have absolutely no experience in!). I look forward to seeing what people suggest.

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Date: 4/13/10 3:18 PM

The few women I know who carry simply use their purses. The men use a fanny pack. There are special ones that look perfectly ordinary but have a stiff concealing panel inside with one free edge so that the weapon can be swiftly withdrawn. Unfortunately, as far as I know, they are only available in black, but they do look like perfectly ordinary bags of this type.

If you're very slight, I think this would be your best option, because the simple weight of any but the tiniest weapon in any garment pocket will make it obvious that you are carrying, or in any case would call attention to that part of your clothing.
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Date: 4/13/10 4:01 PM

Pleated pants a la the 80's would give extra space.

Do you need quick and easy access though? If so you may need to leave a pocket open to allow access.

I do not think you will be able to disguise that you are carrying though, you did not mention if that is an issue, but I would think it would be part of the reason for concealing.

Have you looked at other holster locations?

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Date: 4/13/10 4:04 PM

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Is it possible to modify slacks or jeans just to provide more ease direclty across the front (about the appendix area) and still taperback in at the waist and thighs?


I don't think "ease" would be the right goal. I think you'd want to create a "hidden" pocket (like Ladyv suggested).

While "ease" would hide the holster/firearm, I'd think it would also hamper withdrawing the weapon in a "fight or flight" situation.

Have you tried snooping around the police supply websites? Often, they carry items for undercover officers and Feds. At least, I remember my mom having "special clothes" for when she had to carry a concealed. And I *know* she didn't sew them.

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Date: 4/13/10 8:57 PM

First, not to make a joke of it...but I'm laughing at how thoughtful everybody is about not only the fit of the pant, but also of the alteration's purpose and ease of access and concealing. I'd never fathom we'd discuss ease for concealed weapons.

I would suggest first getting yourself to a point fit wise with a pair of pants you love without the concealed weapon. THEN (because it's a muslin) I'd conceal the weapon the way you like and then with the pants on, slice the muslin from waist toward the knee to allow for the weapon. I'd pin in a slice of muslin and keep adjusting it until you feel there is a nice balance between concealing and not too loose that it puddles at the knee or makes it really obvious you're concealing.

Essentially this is creating a pleat but in your case you wouldn't be sewing the pleat you'd just be leaving it open. Then you can adjust your waistband accordingly. Doing it this way, I think you can avoid getting too much excess fabric at the thigh and knee level, but still pivot the front waist length wider.

Keep in mind the finished garment will be very wonky since you'll have one half of your front larger than the other 3/4 of the garment, but in real life that is what you're fitting for. Your body+weapon, not what looks nice on a hanger.

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Date: 4/13/10 9:17 PM

My dh suggests simply googling 'concealment purse.' This will give you some ideas about what specialty items (some of them quite good-looking) available for women to carry on their bodies. If you need something on you at all times, you might consider a shoulder holster, always under a jacket, of course.

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Date: 4/13/10 9:59 PM

I am so grateful to everyone for their considered input. I have used purse carry but it is so risky if someone takes your purse, they have your gun and can use it against you.

I am looking into small of back carry which allows a jacket over top for concealment but, in summer that is just so hot, its almost impossible.

This particular method I now use works exceptionally well with sweats and gathered skirts, all the folds in the garment hide the holster and, the weapon deploys (during training) easily enough. But my job requires a lot of ladder climbing so skirts at work just don't work.

I will check with police supplies but being a less than size 2 puts limits on any purchased clothing. Still I bet I could get some great construction ideas.

I'm going to work with the suggestion on how to fit a muslin then slash and spread it. I am also really excited about the saf-t-pocket idea, if it would work in a vest, it ought to work on slacks, to some extent. I'd need to find some interfacing and lining that might keep the weapon from "printing".

When I come up with something, which admittedly may be months, I'll post some pictures and descriptions of the final method.

Thank you all so much!

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Date: 4/13/10 10:16 PM

I looked at the concealment purse link above and found an abdomen elastic wrap with a holster attached. That would add an extra (hot) layer, but only five or six inches wide, below the bra and under your untucked shirt. Your chest would cause the fabric to drape loosely over that area, concealing the gun I presume, so long as you don't mind carrying a gun right there and your bustline sticks out enough to create that drape to hang over the gun area. I would think you would either have to buy one and make it smaller or make your own, at your size. I am not a gun user, so there may be practical or safety considerations I don't know about but that would make this not a good idea. If it seems plausible, perhaps you could use elastic mesh from Spandex House possibly to make most of the band cool and breathable and flat against the skin. I would think you would finish off the edges with an overlock stitch or zig zag and also overlap the ends of the band and zig zag rather than adding the bulk of turned seam allowances, or possibly but them together if you can get a strong seam that way. Another thought is to attach the holster to the bottom of a snugly fitted bra band for support, possibly also using a breathable mesh all the way around for comfort to make sure it stays in place without adding strain to your shoulders. Then, make sure whatever shirts you wear are long enough to conceal even with your arms up and short enough that you can easily get in to get the gun--and stiff enough to create some pouching out rather than laying against your skin and showing the shape of whatever is underneath.

This is all from my imagination. I don't have any experience with that, but I do know that you don't want to add too much weight to the front of the bra without support around the abdomen. Also, you would not want it to hang down when you leaned over and show itself that way to anyone watching carefully, either just seeing it laying against the front of your shirt, or if they were able to see down your shirt. So, the shirt should sit against the chest and not reveal if you bend over.
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