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Date: 8/25/10 10:06 AM

I'm looking for an industrial machine to help with my costuming "business". I do costumes and alterations in exchange for my daughters' tuition. Last year I made 9 tutus which are sewing machine intense. Lots of cramming and shoving of all the layers of tutu net. While my old Bernina 830 chugged through it all, I'm afraid that I'm going to kill her with the workload. I've been looking at industrial machines online. I originally thought about getting an industrial serger but realized after all those tutus that a straight/zig zag machine would be the best use of my money. The Singer 20U73 seems to fit my requirements but it's not auto lubricating and it seems to show up as several other brand names. I also looked at the Brother DB2-721 but it does not exist on the Brother website???? I don't have a set budget yet because I'm not sure what's important and I don't want to buy something that's not what I need. Anyone have any advice?

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Date: 8/25/10 11:19 AM

I feel your concern with all of the layers under a standard machine. I make a lot of bags and purses and have been concerned with this also. I was making a diaper bag for a friend with lots of thickness and managed to send a Bernina Aurora to the shop. Now, I use a vintage Morse most of the time since I don't have as much money tied up in it and it handles thicknesses well. But even it will get cranky on some things, though it will sew them. It will sometimes need to be hand walked to get started and sometimes leaves thread balls. I have been seriously considering the Juki TL98Q for its "semi" industrial straight stitch and strength, and I have read favorable reviews of it and the Juki industrial models here on PR. If I had more room, I might want to go with an industrial. However, my sewing room is a walk in closet that I modified for a sewing room in an extra bedroom.

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Date: 8/25/10 11:39 AM

I'm not sure where in GA you're located, but have you checked out Southeast Sewing in Atlanta? I have a couple of friends who have purchased industrials there. I'm not sure which machine you'd need for tutu construction.

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Date: 8/25/10 6:29 PM

I have a Singer 20u73 that is use every day for alterations and custom pieces. I work on everything from silk chiffon to leather for chaps, and I really haven't encountered anything that Rosie (as in The Riveter, because she can do it!) can't handle. The only thing I'd say about her is that I had to have my mechanic readjust the presser foot bar to get me additional clearance under the foot for bulky seams. He had no trouble doing this and now I've got a good 1/2" clearance. Just make sure that you've got yourself a good assortment of needles.

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Date: 8/26/10 7:23 AM

I have a used Pfaff 138-6, which is similar to the 20U73 only bigger and older. Mine's from the 1950s. It's my "go to" machine, now. I only use my regular machine for buttonholes. The manual oiling isn't all that bad.

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Date: 8/26/10 6:11 PM

Thanks for all the help. I have plenty of room in my basement sewing studio so I would want the table and everything. How much clearance is there under the arm of the 20U? Tutus can get a bit unwieldy! Does it make a nice balanced stitch?

I have issues with Southeast Sewing. I'm going to have to find another dealer.

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Date: 8/27/10 1:51 AM

Have you checked out the Bernina 950 or the Tacsew B950? They do have deco stitches that many industrials do not have, plus they come with a knee bar and have drop feed.
The Tacsew is made in the same factory in Thailand as the Bernina but is several hundred dollars less. I don't know if the price includes the table and motor. Allbrands has both models pictured side by side on their website which makes it easy to compare.
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Date: 8/27/10 8:04 AM

Cisa, that's too strange. I also have a 20U73, and was thinking of naming her Rosie after Rosie the Riveter. I am seriously creeped out right now. Get out of my mind!

Anyway, the clearance between my presser foot and the plate looks to be a hair over 1/4", but you could do what Cisa did and have it adjusted for more clearance. It's a beautifully simple machine, so it's easy to adjust or repair, though I'm glad I have a great repairman that I go to for this stuff who doesn't charge me an arm and a leg because I'm very bad with a screwdriver.

Also, yes, it produces a lovely, balanced stitch every time, whether straight, zigzag, or satin (which is going to take some time for me to master). I bought the Reliable version because I wanted the servomotor without having to pay for the upgrade and the nice light that comes with the package, but I imagine everything else is 99% the same except for the logo. They always answer e-mails immediately, which is nice.

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Date: 8/27/10 8:16 AM

One other thing: do you use zig zag or satin stitch often? If you don't need that, you could go slightly cheaper and get one of the Juki straight stitch-only machines, like a DDL-8300, 8700, etc. Those are very single-minded machines, though, and quite a bit faster than the 20U73. They're like buzzsaws, actually.

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Date: 8/28/10 9:11 AM

I need the zig zag for attaching tutu net to the lycra. I'm curious if there is any difference between the Pfaff, Reliable, and Singer. They appear to be the same machine.

I looked at the Bernina and Tacsew several years ago. It basically looks like my old 830 with an outside motor and table. I'm wondering if it's any different, just more expensive.

How often do you have to oil the 20U? Is non-self lubricating a big deal?

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