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Message Board > Miscellaneous > Touchy feely before you fly ( Moderated by Deepika, EleanorSews, CynthiaSue)

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Date: 11/20/10 6:34 AM

With the new security laws and procedures for air travel passengers, how do
many of you feel about the visual scan showing the real you and the procedure
of someone feeling you all over including your private parts?

Understanding that today's world calls for stringent measures to keep the safety
of passengers but is it getting to the point where it almost isn't worth taking a trip?

It would be interesting to see what everyone thinks about this and or have you
had to go through this and what was your reaction and feelings.

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Date: 11/20/10 7:41 AM

Flying has become soooo unpleasant, and not just because of security measures. Being crammed into tiny spaces, rudeness from fellow passengers...never a good experience, and not one I'll undergo if it's possible to drive. The inconvenience and loss of privacy from being searched/scanned is nothing compared to the awfulness of the rest of the flight experience, IMO.

For those times when driving isn't a possibility, I'd much rather be scanned than patted down. And please let me keep my shoes on, since you're scanning my feet, too.

However, I'd like to hear some success stories of people they've caught using any of these methods. Or do they work to deter potential bombers?

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Date: 11/20/10 7:56 AM

I don't really have a problem with it, but I think if they are going to do a pat down, it should be in private, and not in the open or a glass room like in some airports.

When I was an undergraduate and grad student, I was working at a number of archaeological sites in Syria, Turkey, Egypt, and elsewhere in the Near East in the 1990's and 2000's

I flew in and out of Damascus dozens of times, and when you flew from that city you always received a pat down, and perhaps given the various political situations in the Near East, security was at a higher level and searches were always more invasive there.

After going though the metal detector, the line would separate into two, with the men on one side and the women on the other and you would go into little rooms that looked like department store dressing rooms where you would be patted down by an agent, in private, and female agents for female passengers, male agents for male passengers.

They would always run their hands around the bottom of your bra, feeling under the wires, and also around the inside of the waistband of your pants. The first time I flew home from Damascus this was shocking to me; but after that...it was comforting. Knowing that a small discomfort on my part was keeping me safe made me feel better.

Also the fact that I was being patted down by a fellow female, and it was done in private meant that it impacted me very little.

I am not sure how I feel about the body scans...but if the pat downs were done in a way that were sensitive and respectful, as they were in Syria (interesting that Syria would be my example for sensitive and respectful, no?) then I would not have a problem with it.

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Date: 11/20/10 8:10 AM

Between the two unpleasant choices, I would rather be scanned than touched. I have two flights coming up - one domestic and one international - so it will be interesting to see what security measures are used.

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Date: 11/20/10 8:12 AM

Quote: blue mooney
Flying has become soooo unpleasant, and not just because of security measures. Being crammed into tiny spaces, rudeness from fellow passengers...never a good experience, and not one I'll undergo if it's possible to drive. The inconvenience and loss of privacy from being searched/scanned is nothing compared to the awfulness of the rest of the flight experience, IMO.

My feelings exactly about flying! I am amazed by how rude some fellow passengers can be. The nicest airports still have some of the crappiest ghetto like waiting areas with very few amenities. The scanning or pat down is nothing, I couldn't care less about that part. I would happily get naked for a search if I was guaranteed happy and polite travel companions and a peaceful waiting area with real food between flights.

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Date: 11/20/10 8:25 AM

I totally agree. I'll do whatever needs to be done to further guarantee some safety. Pat me, scan me, or detect anything I'm carrying.
I hate the airport atmosphere, the waiting, the rude seatmates, and being squished into small seats. Not to mention people who think their too big carry on will miraculously shrink to fit in the overhead - and they get angry when told to check it.

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Date: 11/20/10 8:44 AM

I don't care about the scan. They look, they delete. I'm sure after looking at thousands of scans every day they really don't care. It's like the doctor who does your annual exam, ho hum, another naked body.

I had a thorough pat-down in the Amsterdam airport a few years ago. I would prefer this happen in public, not in a private area. It was weird enough to have this agent repeatedly feeling around my breasts while others watched. It would have been more uncomfortable to be groped in private. I have to tell you I got the giggles during the search. I'm afraid the TSA worker thought I was enjoying the experience. It was funny that they chose me for a full-touch assessment since I was wearing yoga pants, a fitted T and I have a double A bust size. I'm not at all sure where they thought I was hiding anything. A firecracker's worth of explosive couldn't have hid under my clothing.

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Date: 11/20/10 9:00 AM

I went through the new scanner last week. No big deal. The person looking at the scans is in a separate room.

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Date: 11/20/10 9:46 AM

What about the radiation from the scanners? Isn't anyone concerned? The manufacturers (from what I've read) always say it's lower than it really is. Who's there making sure it doesn't malfunction? No one is, and they wouldn't tell you if it did malfunction................lawsuits. Better security with biometrics. Eventually, this will probably be the way security is handled in all airports..............better for everyone.

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Date: 11/20/10 10:08 AM

Suffice it to say, air travel is not what it once was.

As for scans and pat downs, I prefer the scan. I also think everyone, and I do mean everyone including flight crew, should be required to go thru the security process.

There will always be people who think the rules apply to all others and not them and who believe their needs are more urgent than anyone else's. I have gotten to be very good at telling the person next to me that I prefer to keep the armrest down and I know how to cross my legs so that my neighbor has to keep his/her legs to their own section and not spread unless they want my shoe print on their pants leg. On a short flight, protecting my personal space can become a sort of pass-the-time game. Anything longer than 2 hours and it is a real PITA.

If i were ever to win a major lottery, one of the personal extravgances I would indulge in is flying first class to make avoid that whole issue.

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