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Date: 12/22/10 3:38 PM

Hi! I'm in the US and see that patterns from "the Big 4" (Simplicity, McCalls, Butterick & Vogue) include 2 garment sizing systems - US and "Eur" (presumably European).

Just eyeballing the numbers, it looks like European sizes are equal to US sizes plus 26. (For example, a pattern for a US size 6 woman's dress is the same as a pattern for a European size 32 woman's dress.)

I guess my first question is, have I interpreted this correctly?

Beyond that, I'd like to know:

(a) which countries use the Eur sizes for their sewing patterns and which (if any beyond the US itself) use the US sizes?

(b) are there other sizing systems for sewing patterns (not RTW clothes) besides US and Eur?

If so:

(c) how do those other systems relate to the US and Eur systems?

(d) what pattern companies use those other systems?

I've found lots of websites that tell how to compare RTW clothing sizes among different countries, but I haven't been able to find much about sewing pattern sizes across different countries.

Any information you could provide would be deeply appreciated! Thank you! :)

Best wishes for wonderful holidays and a Happy New Year!
--Gwen

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Date: 12/22/10 5:03 PM

Burda Size chart

Does this help?

I think you need to check the size chart for each pattern company no matter where it is based. If possible flat measure the pattern to eally check the sizing.

You may want to have a metric measuring tape if you are interested in using patterns printed outside of the USA.

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Date: 12/22/10 5:24 PM

Apart from Burda for which Michelle gave a great link, there are no major pattern companies in Europe selling envelope patterns. Some smaller companies, but the main source for patterns in Europe is from magazines (BurdaStyle, Knip Mode, Patrones, La Mia boutique). They all have their own size tables and differ also in the average length they draft for.
Burda's average length is 168 cm, Knip Mode 172 cm. I've heard that LMB is for shorter women (being an Italian magazine, very generally speaking women in southern Europe are less tall than the northern European women).
For Patrones the size to use is two sizes larger than in BurdaStyle for example, so much the sizes differ.
To make a long story short: if you're going to make something from a European company/magazine compare their size charts with your own measurements. In general their size charts give a good indication which size to use (which is not always the case with the big 4 is my experience).

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Date: 12/26/10 5:08 AM

And it does not help that different countries use different sizing. A french 40 may be quite different from a Dutch one. The UK sizing is more in line with US but the numbers are higher (Size 6UK I think is Size 2US something like that)

Clothes bought here can have a tag with 3 or 4 different country sizes in them. Something like the metnioned Burda or Knipchart are probably the best way to work it out

Gilraen

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Date: 12/26/10 5:09 AM

double post
-- Edited on 12/26/10 5:21 AM --

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Date: 12/26/10 5:10 AM

triple post
-- Edited on 12/26/10 5:21 AM --

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Date: 12/26/10 5:11 AM

quadruple post

-- Edited on 12/26/10 5:21 AM --

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Date: 12/26/10 1:41 PM

Gilrean is correct about the diferent sizes on one clothing tag.

Esprit Brand clothes sold in Canada have several different sizes on the label based on the different countries it is sold in.

Another thing to consider is that European clothes may be more fitted, less boxy that US clothing lines. And as already pointed out designed for different heights.

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Date: 12/26/10 3:01 PM

This is a bit OT...

This thread gives me nostalgia for the French departement store-ish thing we had here. They sold eveyrthing from deli meats to shoes, all imported from France.

I loved their clothing labels and kept one for a long time but lost it in the EQ. It was royal blue, printed in white and had a numbered size like 38, say, at the top and a woman's outline with a line at bust, waist and hips.

But the best part was that they put the metric body size on there, like a sewing pattern.

If I ever have a clothing line, that's how I'll do it.

I have no idea if this usual for France or not.

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Date: 12/26/10 3:13 PM

Here is a comparison of international and US sizes, from All Saints mail order in the UK.

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