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Date: 3/3/11 4:29 PM

that people have no hesitation about helping citizens overseas, Iraq, Africa etc with money and goods and services. Yet when it comes to giving a little bit more in taxes for their countrymen to have basic health care and other necessities of life they scream in bloody horror?

Why is it that people spend thousands of dollars to adopt overseas children when there are plenty of children in the US that need loving families?

Why does the US government send millions and millions for overseas aid when 1 in 5 American children go to bed hungry?

And I don't mean the just the US any country that can afford to give. Maybe should get their own houses in order first before giving to others. It's inconceivable to me how many US dollars go for overseas aid and how bad things are in the US right now. It just boggles the mind. People would be quick to send money around the world but won't see the family at the end of the block that might need a little help. God knows how many fellow Americans less fortunate or affected by hard times rarely receive any compassion or help by the general public.

I just read the thing about bundles for Iraq, a county where most of their citizens hate Americans for what we did over there. It just hit me the wrong way.

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Date: 3/3/11 4:38 PM

I do the bundles for Iraq, because when I lost everything in a house fire, several Muslim women that lived close to me gave me a "bundle" of their own fabrics because they would have been devastated if it would have happened to them. It did not matter to them what my race, religion or creed was it was a gesture that they made because of how they would have felt. I appreciated it and I pay it forward in my own way. But I also do the same for people closer to home, too.

The rest of it, I agree. Hunger in the US (because I am an American) is uncalled for. Big soapbox of mine, and probably why I feed half the homeless/old/mental people in my area. I can't stand it.

Edit: wow, that was self serving. Not that I meant it that way. I just have soup or stuff on hand that if I know someone is hungry, or I FEEL they are hungry I can pull the old Southern hospitality thing with "Eat. Eat. Have coffee. Sit a spell."
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Date: 3/4/11 10:16 AM

In my opinion overseas aid is not about charity. It is about power and influence in developing countries. It also is about promoting stability where we have business interests or it where it benefits us not to have civil wars. I wish it was about generosity.

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Date: 3/4/11 10:35 AM

Many military wives participate in projects like bundles for Iraq because we hope we can indirectly protect our husbands and sons. If the mothers in Iraq have come to think positively of America, they are less likely to teach hatred to their children.

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Date: 3/4/11 10:57 AM

I have to agree with some of it. We do have interest overseas. the most apalling event i did see was when hurcane katrina hit. we didn't respond fast enough. when people did get together and send things like clothes. It was dumped in a big parking lot. We up north here sent a lot of goods foods and extra down . when i saw all those clothes dumped in a parking lot. I quit giving. when people lost almost everything you just don't treat them like that. you make it readly available so they can pick a choose from the clothes. I don't know how the food and other product where handle. when i just saw all those clothes dump I thought &*&^%$$# My good clothes that some one could use treated like that.
Now i do give to another organization it called the savor store it support our troops. What they sell there the money goes for treament and other needs.

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Date: 3/4/11 11:03 AM

Yarndiva, I think you're definitely right about the government overseas aid.
In terms of personal aid, I think it may be a difference of perceived need. I think a lot of times the "haves" in America consider the have-nots to be at fault. They think that since they have, and they're in the same country, anybody who isn't doing as well must not be trying, because they must have had all of the same opportunities. It's easier to figure that people in other countries didn't have the same opportunities. Then there's the bizarre alliance of business and organized religion.
Most of it just isn't rational, though. I think it's really less a matter of people genuinely believing that only some people should get healthcare, and more a matter of very successful PR campaigns from the health insurance industry.

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Date: 3/4/11 11:05 AM

There is certainly a lot of gray in this.

At the government level, it's political and financial. The Clinton Administration killed rice farming here and we are still being flooded with cheap(er) aid rice from the US...which is overstock because the US provides subsidies to agriculture. Then they have to send the extra somewhere, right?

Something that does not exist here. Same story for the pigs in the 80s.

As for the hungry children/neighbors etc. so-called developped nations are very individualistic societies.

For example, my oldest friend (since K) married a British citizen and he doesn't get why she thinks she's financially responsible for her aging parents. Boggles my mind because culturally and financially, this is the proper thing for children to do in my country: support your parents in their old age.

Again, our gouvernment does not provide for the elderly...unless you work but that is a pitiful amount since it's based on salaries. My mother's retirement check is about $50 US per month. The water bill alone is $10/mo, propane gas tank is $12/mo, phone bill varies but less than $10/mo. That's 32 dollars gone. How would she eat, wash or talk on the phone if I wasn't there?

On a more human level, I know a lot of people who are selflessly generous, locally or internationally. I myself have received a lovely gift for near-strangers last year, mostly through PR and bloggers.

And then there's the publicity factor. If you see it on tv, it hits you more than seeking out people to help. If there's a big national campaign on a subject or your priest/pastor/imam/rabbi talks about it to the congregation, it impacts more than noticing a particular person, let alone a stranger.

Let's not forget that people, even poor people, have their pride. Some will be in need but not beg.

As I said, it's not quite black and white.

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Date: 3/4/11 11:12 AM

thank-you

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Date: 3/4/11 1:24 PM

I don't think American's are all that generous to be honest. I think it's actually a very small percentage of Americans who care about anything other than their own pocketbook. It's a very small percentage who donate generously to anything. Generous is relative to income. If you're on social security disability surviving on $800 a month, a $10 donation is generous.

I think the vast majority of Americans really could care less about poor people in the world, their own country, or even their next door neighbor. Increase my taxes! What? Why should my hard earned money go to pay some good for nothing welfare queen who shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place?! If they had just been more responsible they wouldn't be poor. They are being rightfully punished for their actions and they shouldn't be helped out in any way. People starving to death? We're overpopulated anyway.

Just read the comments people make after online news articles and you'll see it. American in general are selfish, unkind, racist, bigoted people. It's a very small minority that actually sees all human's as HUMAN'S deserving of some basic HUMAN rights, and I fear with the ascension of the radical right in this country, that small minority is swiftly shrinking.

If you make a peep about how we should love others and provide for the less fortunate in society you are immediately labeled a "liberal" and somehow "liberal" has come to mean that you're actually an un-patriotic communist bent on the destruction of America.

I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but that's really what I see happening in this country.

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Date: 3/4/11 1:29 PM

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that people have no hesitation about helping citizens overseas, Iraq, Africa etc with money and goods and services. Yet when it comes to giving a little bit more in taxes for their countrymen to have basic health care and other necessities of life they scream in bloody horror?
I already pay way more taxes than any human ought, so I object to all of the above.

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Why is it that people spend thousands of dollars to adopt overseas children when there are plenty of children in the US that need loving families?
I don't know the answer to this, as I adopted an American child. I suspect it's because most adoptable children in the U.S. are kept in the "system" until they're older and then nobody wants them. Most people want an infant and there aren't many.

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Why does the US government send millions and millions for overseas aid when 1 in 5 American children go to bed hungry?
I find that sad, too. I believe we have a responsibility to take care of our own first.



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