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Lady_Mame
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Date: 8/1/11 12:48 PM

I've been noticing something, and I'm wondering if anyone else is too. (Could just be where I live.)

It seems as we all tighten our belts in the USA, and the conservatives grab more and more attention, women's rights are getting eroded in many states, and I'm encountering chauvinism like I haven't seen since I was much younger.

There seems to be an attitude that I *SHOULD* have children by now (I'm 26, and I look about 16-20.) There also seems to be an attitude that I need to get myself a man, get married and stop insisting on living on my own or with room mates. There also seems to be an attitude that I need to dress myself for the boys, and learn how to submit gracefully to white male bosses, etc.

More and more, it seems like I'm running into these concepts from the 1950s. Now, some of it I know is where I work, but I've had people say some pretty out-there stuff to me, and they really don't seem like they are joking. They seem entitled to objectify me, and entitled to ask for "shorter and tighter."

These are people that I wouldn't have expected this from -- ladies even say these things! Is anyone else noticing this, or am I crazy?

For those of you that aren't womenfolk -- do you see this? Do your wives/daughters/female friends/moms/sisters say anything about this? Do you feel pressure to lose the 'girly' hobby? I know chauvinism works both ways. Do you feel like you overhear more piggish comments nowadays?

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Date: 8/1/11 2:17 PM

I feel this. But as you look at history it always repeats it's self. I work for what I feel is a very chavinist organization but jobs are tight right now. I don't know if it's more a female/male thing or a rich/not so rich thing and power/no power. Or all three combined. I feel right now we have a very disfunctional society right now in a lot of ways. The recent battle or the debt ceiling really showed this.

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Date: 8/1/11 2:40 PM

running into concepts from the 1950's.... no coincidence since the ideal of some would be to shrink government spending to 1950's level, and reduce taxes even lower than what we were paying in the 50's. I dunno why the 50's are the "golden age" that everyone seems to get so nostalgic about.

yeah, right now American society from the top down is putting the "fun" in dysfunctional. Civil discussions, agreeing to disagree, compromising for the greater good seem to have been lost.

My ultraconservative Libertarian cousins tried to have a discussion with my super liberal sister, and OH BOY. Wow. LIke WWIII of words on her FB page, and we're family. That is repeating itself all over. It's like if you have a different opinion or different idea about how things are done, it's not that you're different, it's that you're THE ENEMY who must BE ANNIHILATED. I try very hard to be the voice of "Okay everyone, lets just sit down here" and they don't like me either.

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Date: 8/1/11 2:46 PM

As bad as it can get, I sorry to say it's not as bad as it used to be. It's a matter of standing up for yourself and setting boundaries. Although I'm married, I've always been very independent, have no children and used to travel alone for my job. I had to laugh at the comments I received, lol. Such as "Why does your husband let you do that"? LET ME! Let's just say it gave me lots of opportunities to educate people about women's rights and abilities. Take it with a grain of salt Lady_Mame it's more about them than you. Educate them.

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Date: 8/1/11 2:48 PM

And yes, it was worse in a more rural town than in the larger city I live in now. And the woman were worse than the men.

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Date: 8/1/11 3:26 PM

I'll have to ask around, because this is an interesting observation! I'm too reclusive myself to have a valid opinion.

Cathy, I'm 43 and grew up in a rural town. It was definitely worse there when I was growing up. But it's possible there is a sort of neo-conservatism emerging. I don't notice it though in my rounds (but again, I don't get out much)
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Date: 8/1/11 3:28 PM

A regurgitation of bad history multiplied by the ever growing trend a just plain bad manners.
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An upside down edit on the response:

Glad that you have been wheedling through and eliminating some of the sources of irritation. Especially glad that they are not all work related. And, yes, sometimes a change in scenery on volunteer activities can be a good idea. And, sometimes an activity centered just on your own needs can be a very good idea.

-- Edited on 8/1/11 6:46 PM --

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Date: 8/1/11 3:42 PM

Not all of this is at work! I'm sorry I made it seem that way. I don't have this issue so much with management at all. More my team mates. And, I'm not out there looking for it. (I let one man witness to me EVERY SINGLE DAY for months even though I'm not christian -- I put up with a lot.)

I don't feel like quitting my job at this time -- they are right now implementing a lot of good changes and I think some of this will come out of the woodwork and some of the offenders will be prevented from continuing to say harmful things.

I also work for a non-profit and I see it there more than at my normal work. I have scaled down my involvement in the non-profit due in part to this.

So anyway, I'm not feeling as crazy. But I sure wish that we didn't have to go through this AGAIN.

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Date: 8/1/11 4:16 PM

I ran into more sexism in the job that I recently left (for another job) than I had in all of my previous years of working.

My former company wasn't always that bad. At that company, we had several rounds of layoffs, and it seemed like the only new people we hired were male engineers who had all worked together at a previous company. The colleagues who had previously worked together formed a real "old boys network". The only woman who received any sort of promotion during this time was one who was "one of the boys" and had worked with them before.

I really think that if the economy had been better and they had been allowed to use recruiters, job ads, etc to reach a wider audience for prospective new hires, this culture either wouldn't have developed or would have been diluted at least.

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Date: 8/1/11 5:29 PM

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I'm encountering chauvinism like I haven't seen since I was much younger. There seems to be an attitude that I *SHOULD* have children by now (I'm 26, and I look about 16-20.)

You mean like way, way back in 2005 when you were just 20?

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