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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Second lookat the Bernina 580 ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Second lookat the Bernina 580
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Date: 10/15/11 0:18 AM


This afternoon I had a chance to stop by my dealers, and look at the 580 more closely.
At first look I was not crazy about its appearance but while I was sewing on it I felt it reseeded and was not at all distracting. You can select the color that you want to predominate the screen. I I had on a lovely grey green. I can confirm the machine is quiet. Smooth and remains quiet unless it is run a full throttle which is very fast and Unless you were sewing long lines of seams or similar I dont think you would sew that fast. It has a perfect stitch. The quality is top notch. As good as my Artista 630.
The utility stitches are set up like the 630/40.
The decorative stitches are set up in separate folders.
Click on satin stitch folder and appear all the satin stitches,
Heirloom folder, quilting stitches folder. etc.
Very easy.
There is a screen that you can input your type of fabric, but not sure how to use it.
There is a low bobbin indicator that flashes a huge picture of a bobbin and peps too.
I sewed with the 1C foot and also the zipper foot and #5 foot with the guide. The feed was very good with all of these feet even when the fabric was riding on one feed dog and the center back, it stitched flawlessly.
If you were to need to stitch very soft fabrics at the edge you would want to use the straight or 5.5 stitch plate that is an accessory.
It sewed through 8 layers of deco fabric without any hesitation and it went from thick to one layer of fabric with out any change in stitch length.
The sewing machine bed is a good sized and easily comes off and releases using an easy to use button.
The body of the machine, the feet, the metal up take lever are polished to a high finish.
The auto cut scissors work perfectly every time.

Now a few down sides.
FMQ was a problem. Perhaps because I was doing it with a 9 mm stitch plate when it should have been a straight or 5.5 mm plate on the machine. The stitches did not form well in the back, they pulled and the tension was off. Now maybe I missed something.
I will find out tomorrow when the sales person who knows the machine really well is in.

The other thing is if there is ANY THing a stray thread in this case, the bobbin sign will go
on/ If you have a slight nest it will go on. Now you could look at that two ways it signals some thing is not right. Its very sensitive.

I joked with the sales person, saying I really need it an old mechanical that could take mountains of abuse.

The last thing was that the computer kept crashing. It just stopped and we turned off the machine it would be fine until I switched though the screen a few times and went from one function to another it just froze up. Not once but four times! Until I decided turn it off.
That was some what disappointing.
I know the machine just came out, but do all high end computerized machines have bugs.?
Since Im thinking of trading up and have a very limited time to do it, I wonder if I would not be kicking my self afterwards.

I can really use the thread cutters it is great. It is quiet, and all the electronic high background that you often hear on most computerized machines is gone.
It is easy to use. too.

Would love to have some other thoughts on this .

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Date: 10/15/11 10:08 AM

WOW thank you for this test result!!! You are very good to have done this for us. It takes time to post this information and your efforts are VERY appreciated.

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Date: 10/15/11 11:10 AM

Why did the computer keep crashing? is this a new model just out? A lot of the new ones seem to have computer bugs in them. They do not spend the time and money to fix things but send to market way too soon. As you posted, this seems to concern you too.

How much does the machine weigh? I am thinking if you buy it you might have to bring it to the store a few times if it has a problem in the motherboard or somewhere in the electronics. That should not be happening.

Granted the salesperson did not really know the machine and the one who does is in today. Maybe you can learn something from this person about the machine.

You had a moment of clarity when you said you really needed an old mechanical that could take mountains of abuse.

What is wrong with the great machine you currently have listed above? You have an Arista 630. Isn't that a great machine? I do not know anything about it, but others really want them, so I read on threads here all the time.

Let us know how things go after you talk to the saleperson who really knows the machine. I hope you buy what makes your heart beat faster and one you will love for many years.

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I am a Quilter at heart. I love to play with fabrics, patterns and colors. Recently I have discovered I enjoy doing applique. I love making pictures. Using a sewing machine is much easier than counted cross stitch or oil painting for me. I enjoy landscape quilting as well. I am working on my first applique project in the spring of 2014.
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Date: 10/15/11 11:52 AM

I just went back to some Bernina reviews. It seems the earliest reviews on the 640, 730 and 830 all were awful. For the 640 it took THREE years for good reviews to come out. When I bought my 730e the Bernina tech said "they finally have it perfect"...so I plunked down my coins and couldn't be happier. It seems the same old bugs are here again on the 580...somebody tell me it ain't so!!!!

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Date: 10/15/11 7:26 PM

Yes, I am one who suffered through an early 730, aka 200e. I had one of the first ones released, purchased as a floor model. That machine drove me crazy and I finally traded it in on the 730. The 730 has been flawless for me.

I so agree that I do not want to see this repeated with the 580. I want it to be perfect now, today! It has so many great features!

BTW, I did purchase the new Bernina 530, and I am totally in love with it. But of course it does not embroider, and is a 5.5mm machine, a totally different animal than the 580. But I still know I have one of the first ones and so far so good.

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Date: 10/15/11 10:02 PM

I took a quick look at the 580 today, but didn't really care for the small screen. I have the 440 and the screen is only a teeny bit larger, in color but not much bigger. I like the size of the 730 screen....so I bought the 730 floor model!!!

I am amazed at how easy it was to switch from sewing to embroidery, which is why I was interested in upgrading from the 440. I was not liking the connection with the computer etc. So I did something about it. I figure the floor model should have all the bugs worked out.

I hope I don't get buyers remorse before I pick it up next Saturday!

I hate to hear that the 580 has a few bugs!

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Date: 10/15/11 10:11 PM

I did not get a chance to go back today, while the sales person who really knows the machine was in. I wish it worked flawlessly like my 635. I'm also glad I was left alone to play with it and it acted up while I was sewing. One of the other sales people said she had a hard time stitching out the embroidery sample. So there is something really amiss with that particular machine. Im sure they are not all doing that, or Bernina should have a recall.

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Date: 10/15/11 10:26 PM

Makes me feel so fortunate that I've never (yet) had a lemon or a trouble-prone machine. My 240 and 820 sewed perfectly literally right out of the sealed boxes. The 440 was used, so it probably had a tune-up at the dealer before I got it. Same for the QP, which is the only non-Bernina that I still love.

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Date: 10/15/11 10:31 PM

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FMQ was a problem. Perhaps because I was doing it with a 9 mm stitch plate when it should have been a straight or 5.5 mm plate on the machine. The stitches did not form well in the back, they pulled and the tension was off. Now maybe I missed something.

I think the straight stitch plate is the answer. I also think FMQ needs slightly more loose bobbin tension. I don't know how experienced you are as a quilter but thread pulling around curves on the back is caused by inconsistance hand speed motion.

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Date: 10/15/11 11:05 PM

Quote: Carol Mendoza
I like the size of the 730 screen....so I bought the 730 floor model!!!



I am amazed at how easy it was to switch from sewing to embroidery, which is why I was interested in upgrading from the 440. I was not liking the connection with the computer etc. So I did something about it. I figure the floor model should have all the bugs worked out.



I hope I don't get buyers remorse before I pick it up next Saturday!



I hate to hear that the 580 has a few bugs!

Congratulations! The 730 is a wonderful machine. I agree that the switch from embroidery to sewing is effortless. I love my 730.

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B350SE,other Berninas, Pfaff Performance 5, several vintage - multiple manufacturers.
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