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Date: 11/2/11 9:22 AM

Berninas? I noticed on a recent thread that if given unlimited money to buy a machine most wanted the lastest tol Bernina. Now I have a Bernina, after years of listening how great they were I managed to snag a great deal on a used 1630, a machine when it was new, I lusted after not even being near to affording it. At that time too I was caught up in the hype. I've had it now for 2 years and have used it maybe half a dozen times. We just didn't bond. Even though I like the idea of a track ball I didn't find it that user friendly and had to keep referring to the book, it wasn't intuitive. I'm holding on to it cos my husband found it for me and it might increase in value as it's in excellent condition. And even now I know I could probably sell it for 5 times what I paid for it. But again I didn't find it so much better then other machines. I have another Computerized Singer that was new in the same era as the 1630, the CXL Quantum. And truth be told I prefer that. Bernina accessories are over priced $50 for one foot? really. And in the case of embroidery do not work well with others. Most format conversion software for designs can't convert to Bernina as Bernina won't work with them. I just wonder if the popularity of Bernina is mob mentality. Kind of like keeping up with the Jones kinda of thing. And I'm not downing Bernina they make very nice sewing machines. But I just happen to think they aren't all above the rest as people would tell you.
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Date: 11/2/11 10:27 AM

Well now, you have one of the best Singers in modern times. I saw one at my sewing techs too, and he said they are just great, and on the boards that has been said as well.As to Berninas, yes, there is the hype, and that's the prices. People automatically think things are better if they are costly. However, given they are made at least partially in a country where they actually pay people living wages, it costs more to manufacture Berninas all the way through the process. And they are extremely well made as a rule. After sewing on the B380 I fell in love with that machine, BUT, it more resembles my Pfaff from 1977 really because it is sturdy, sews the best stitch and really is solid both in feel and in performance. Better than yesterday's machines in that the lights are so bright they could blind a person, which I LOVED.

I do think Bernina makes a quality machine, and if you have a good dealer, you have a terrific support chain. Feet are expensive but worth the investment, but that can be said for other brands as well.

I guess in the end, people buy what they feel best with. If I hadn't had the Pfaff all these years, I would buy the 1008, but it is so much like my Pfaff in so many ways - today's Bernina in the lower lines is almost exactly shaped like my old Pfaff! Sewing height, vertical bobbin, extension table etc., that I was able to sew on the B380 almost instinctively. Odd, because that new machine also has many nice computerized features.

Enough from me! Yipes! Oh yes, I do not own a Bernina. And don't see one in the future. If I were 30 years younger I would buy one so as to get more use out of it! Then the price would factor out and be negligible.

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Date: 11/2/11 10:56 AM

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"after years of listening how great they were I managed to snag a great deal on a used 1630 a machine when it was new I lusted after not even being near to affording it. At that time too I was caught up in the hype. I've had it now for 2 years and have used it maybe half a dozen times. I'm holding on it cos my husband found it for me and it might increase in value as it's in excellent condition. And very in the case of embroidery do not work well with others. Most format conversion software for designs can't convert to Bernina as Bernina won't work with them. I just if the popularity of Bernina is mob mentality. Kind of like keeping up with the Jones kinda of thing. And I'm not downing Berninas they make very nice sewing machines. But I just happen to think they aren't all above the rest as people would tell you.

Some of the grammar in your post is hard to follow, but it seems that you are suggesting that the popularity of Bernina sewing machines is unwarranted, attributable to hype, "mob mentality", and "keeping up with the Joneses", based on your experience with one model, the 1630, which you've used approximately 6 times. Is that correct?

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Date: 11/2/11 11:08 AM

Yes I guess people want what they want no matter why they want it. I've had enough machines to know I don't need to be happy with the biggest, brightest most expensive machine out there. I recently fell in love with a very cheap Singer.

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Date: 11/2/11 11:12 AM

I think my post was very clear. And I will not be drawn into an argument over it.

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Date: 11/2/11 11:30 AM


Ahh.. this reminds me of THoltz thread last year. Now I knew that she was simply trying to make the best decision in choosing a machine.. but some took it as a call to defend the reputation of Berninas..

So here is the scoop I shared both with her.. and with some others that have asked me in the past.

Bernina.. and Pfaff for that matter. Back in the day.. Heck might as well throw in Singer here too.

The first Singers.. the FWs and all those.. made for basic home sewing.. Affordable. dependable.. and still are to this day.. But along came Pfaff and Berninas.. all made in Europe.. with the same dependability of the Singers .. and whose reputation grew as being the best on the market for home sewing. In fact a lot of people who remember their entry here in the USA.. remember Pfaff as being a cut above the Bernina.

FLASH Forward when the computerized machines made their debut on the scene. Bernina had software problems.. which put a ding in their previously sterling reputation. On top of which . on the whole their machines had less features for your dollar than the Pfaffs.. By now Singers reputation was gone for good.. and still has not returned . Pfaff too had some problems in the software field.. especially with their combos .. choosing out of date software. and Viking choose a floppy format. which has in the long run hurt their sales.

You must keep in mind.. there are always people who want the best and will buy those models deemed so.. and so where now Pfaff has been bought out by SVP.. their reputation is sliding.. so all that remains would therefore be the Bernina.

However.. people are noting and have taken note of the JANOMES.. As Janome not only makes their own brand .. but also machines for many others under a different name.. such as the Grandquilter .. The equivalent of the Janome l600 more or less. A lot of bang for your buck is the attraction of the Janomes.. along with their affordability. It is because they are overall used a lot and have a pretty good reputation that customers will buy the Kenmores that are made by Janome.

I buy all the older Pfaffs I can find.. would not touch a new one.. I buy all the Berninas I come across.. with the exception of a few models. I buy all the Janomes and Kenmores I can.. even though I do not expect their life span to be that of my Pfaffs and Berninas.. for the price who cares..

And now we have Juki making serious moves into the home market.. watch out for this.. they will IMHO be the machines for many to buy in the future.

The name Brother has sadly taken a beating due to their output of cheapy machines for the low end market.. However their TOLs ..not bad machines. and they normally sell for less you know. They are even better at making some good embroidery machines at competitive prices.. I do believe they make more models of emb machines than any other company.

You already pointed out Berninas mistake with their emb machines.. wanted to force customers to pay the big bucks for all the accessories they might use in embroidrey.. they have put off many a customer there.. The other companies don't feel like they have to put you in emb prison to force another dollar out of you.. and btw. Brother made the earlier Deco machines for Bernina.. Janome makes their current line. And the Bernette.. well forget about it being a Bernina at all.. not made by Bernina.. and definitely doesn't sew like one. Its Berninas equivalent of the cheapy Brother machines.. don't even know why they would ding their reputation by selling that model.

Not sure of the mob mentality .. am darn sure the people who own Pfaffs and Berninas should be proud of their machines. the finest in the marketplace.. but others are making progress as issues are arising with some newer models of all brands.. such as the recent recall of Elnas.. Another brand whose older machines are some of the best around..

Am pretty sure of this.. which will send me down in flames no doubt..




Those who do not own a Bernina will continue to wonder about the mystique of them.. will question forever if they are truly missing out on something by not owning one.. They even wonder if a Bernina would improve their sewing skills.

Those who bought Berninas will sometimes wonder if they spent too much on a machine.. They sometimes behind closed doors think.. '' I can't believe I spend soooo much money on this machine and it doesn't have half the features of the ( insert any other models name here ).

And lastly I think bonding with a machine has little or nothing to do with the model name or number. Nor the price.. My most fun machine is one of my cheaper ones.. Too bad it won't perform or at least I would not try to sew multiple layers or such with it.. nor is it my fastest machine.. So for now I need and am keeping ALL my machines.. all.. of which I have lost count.. so don't ask..

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Date: 11/2/11 11:41 AM

Want to clarify something here by mob mentality I simply meant that people hearing raves about Berninas felt they must have one either for the quality or to have an upper class sewing machine. It was not meant in a negative way, just an expression. When I was coming up with sewing in the 70's and even the 80's the any machine made in Europe was considered very high end. Even though at that time Singer pretty much still ruled the US markets. I remember a friend I had since elementary school her mother gave her an old Pfaff. I'd never heard of it before. But I thought it was pretty cool. But as the case for Bernina forget about the cost or the status what is is about the machine people want or like so badly. I was just wondering. Basically I love my Bernina because.......................I want nothing but a Bernina because.....................
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Date: 11/2/11 11:52 AM

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And very in the case of embroidery do not work well with others. I just if the popularity of Bernina is mob mentality.

Huh? This isn't clear at all.

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Date: 11/2/11 11:59 AM

You go girl!

Lusting for Bernina is akin to lusting for a Cadillac when you retire because it is the thing to do only to find out you cannot afford the upkeep.

Sold my Berninas and never bought into the idea of a "retirement" car.

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Date: 11/2/11 12:20 PM

Mob Mentality - one person or group does something and everyone tags along. Whether they really believe in it or not, but want to be part of the "group".
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