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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Anyone have both Juki's and Bernina's? ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Anyone have both Juki's and Bernina's?
I'd like some other opinions... comparing.
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Date: 11/8/11 11:51 AM

Bernina has been my go to machine since I started sewing. I have a huge presser foot collection, and currently own the Artista 630 and the new 830.

I am primarily a quilter, but do a fair amount of other projects as well. In the past, I did all my piecing on the 630. When I added the 830 nearly 3 years ago, I preferred piecing on it due to the wonderful dual feed, even with the 9mm feed dogs.

But then a year ago I bought a Juki TL2010Q for my business, and fell absolutely in love with the stitching on this machine. It is so STRAIGHT! I don't know if this machine has the box feed or not, but it feeds fabric perfectly, no hands required!

Yes, it drives me bonkers that the presser feet and stitch plate are such a hassle to change compared to the Bernina's, the needle threader is the pits... but OH MY does this baby sew the perfect straight seam!

I WISH they made a smaller version of this machine, straight stitch only, just smaller. It's too big to lug to class or sewing groups. So I'm looking at the Exceed models, and wondering, since they are zigzag machines with a wider (yes?) feed dog, do they sew as beautifully as the 2010Q?

How "plasticky" are they? The 2010Q appears to be mostly metal, it's a very heavy machine... it's heavier than my Bernina 630.

I would love to hear from anyone sewing on a Bernina Aurora or Artista series machine of any model, and a Juki Exceed (any model), how they compare. NOT feature wise, but performance wise, and a quality comparison.

I am never willing to sacrifice quality for features, and price isn't so much an issue, so I am interested purely in performance and quality comparisons. Thank you!
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Subject: Anyone have both Jukis and Berninas? Date: 11/8/11 12:38 PM

I don't think you can really compare the stitch quality of a dedicated straight stitch machine to that of a zig zag machine. In my experience, having sewn on many machines, both domestic and industrial, zig zag machines are simply not capable of producing the best possible straight stitch even high-quality machines like Berninas. It is for this reason that I use a straight stitch machine for most of my sewing, and a computerized "bells and whistles" machine for zig zag applications (bar tacks, certain styles of buttonholes, etc.).

It's not just the small hole in the needle plate. The feed on a straight stitch is narrower, gripping the fabric close to where the needle penetrates, resulting in greater precision. The narrow feed also makes it easier to sew curves as it's easier to turn and maneuver the fabric.

Also, needle position slightly affects the tension. If you run two rows of stitches, one using the center needle position, and one using the extreme right or left, you'll notice that the tension slightly favors the bottom on the off-center positions.

The tension on a zig zag machine compromises the straight stitch quality too. Ideally, the threads should meet in the middle, but the bobbin thread must very slightly pull toward the top for straight stitching, so that the top thread is not pulled too much to the back while zig zagging. The difference is ever so slight, and varies between machines. It's not noticeable to most people, but as you are a professional, you tend to notice small details like this.

These are my observations based on working with many brands, and what I've noticed is consistent with all brands of machines I have used, including Bernina. I've not used some of specific models you mention, but I think expecting a machine to to everything well is unrealistic. You've already found the best solution own a separate straight stitch only machine!

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Date: 11/8/11 1:05 PM

It isn't the stitch quality so much... you don't see it ih a quilt seam anyway; what I love about the Juki is how evenly it feeds the fabric. I find it comparable to my dual feed Bernina as WELL as how straight the fabric feeds. On the Berninas, fabric seems to 'swim' a bit side to side. I never noticed this until I bought the Juki.

It made such a huge difference in the accuracy of my blocks I wa stunned!

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Date: 11/8/11 1:14 PM

I only have experience with the Bernina Artista (my machine) but I've been to a shop in the KC area that used to sell berninas and now she sells Jukis. It's called Zoelee's, you could google it and contact Zoelee the owner. I'm considering making the switch to Juki too so I'd be interested in what you find out.

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Date: 11/8/11 1:19 PM

The difference is not the brand, but the fact that it's a straight stitch machine. I don't think an F-600 or other zig zag model would stitch as well as a straight stitcher. A narrower feed definitely helps, and the 5.5mm Berninas probably don't pull to the side as much as the 9mm models.

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Date: 11/8/11 1:53 PM

I have a Janome 1600 which is similar to your Juki and I think Solip is right. I think the current straight stitch machines are the hidden gems in the home sewing market and no zig zag machine can compare as far as feeding and stitch quality. I started sewing on a zig zag machine in the late 60's and didn't realize until the 1600 purchase why people rave about vintage straight stitch machines. I consider the current straight stitchers even better than vintage because they have needle up/down and a thread cutter (at least mine does).

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Date: 11/8/11 1:56 PM

Thanks for the explanation in both of your messages. It makes sense and helps me in my continual (seemingly) search for the perfect machine.

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Date: 11/8/11 2:44 PM

I had an F600, Singer 201-2, and now a Bernina Aurora 430. All three sew nice straight stitches. I became obsessed with finding the perfect straight stitch so I compared the F600 to the 201-2 and honestly couldn't find any difference (and I looked hard to find any flaws). The F600 makes the best straight stitch I've seen on a modern computerized machine with decorative stitches. Yes, even straighter than some Berninas I've sewed on (even those with the CB hook). I know what you mean about the wiggle-room the Bernina 5.5 mm feed dogs gives. After sewing on the F600 I had to get used to holding the fabric more when sewing on my 430. Something about the F600 just fed the fabric super straight without having to hold it - maybe it's the box-feeding. The feeding on the F600 is wonderful for straight seams.

The exterior looks of the Exceed series machines are quite plasticky. I know a few members here have been off by its plastic casing. Other than the 201-2 I've only sewed on machines similar to the F600 so it never bothered me. I actually really liked the way it looked and where everything was positioned on the machine.

Rumor has it that a new G-series is maybe coming out soon. They look to have a lot of the great features of the F-series (Exceed) but a little smaller in size and with less stitch patterns. I bet they will also have box-feeding which means they'll perform just as well too but at a lower price-point. I can't wait until they finally hit the stores.

ETA: I also had a Pfaff Select 1530 at one point and thought the only way to have two fabric pieces feed evenly without using a walking foot was to own a machine with the built-in dual feed. I was wrong. The F600 did just as nice a job as the 1530.

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Date: 11/8/11 3:35 PM

Thanks for the comments! I'm super taken with my Juki and can't help but wonder how the Exceed would compare to the Berninas. I'm sure I take a lot of those features for granted, having always had them, but again, I'm crazy about the Juki! Perhaps I'll keep watching for a bit and see what they come out with next.

I like the juki much better than my old singer.

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Subject: Anyone have both Jukis and Berninas? Date: 11/8/11 4:34 PM

I have an older Janome 1600P - the model with all the bells and whistles, but without the new LED lighting and what they are calling the quieter sound. AARG, it was noisy when I got to sewing or free motioning fast! Also I just missed the rocking action of the Bernina foot pedal to raise the needle. To use the button I had to take my hand off my project and I never got used to it even though I used it a good bit. Now it is loaned out. Whew! I use a Bernina 1020 and a 1031 and they are quiet with the foot pedal I seem to not be able to do without. I don't even use my 440 any more. My straight stitch on these 2 mechanicals is wonderful.
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