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claird12
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Date: 1/30/12 6:39 PM

OK, So after much dropping hints, whining, crying, and then being especially nice to dear hubby *if you catch my drift*, he said I could get my new dream machine. Yeah!!!
I am interested in these models:
brother quattro 6700D
babylock ellisimo gold
Husqarvna viking designer diamond plus
bernina 830
Janome 12000

I located dealers for each, unfortunatly they are each an hour drive in different directions. So I will have to visit each on separate days to test machines and price compare. as these are all new machines, I have had a real hard time finding prices to start from.

I have never been to a sewing machine dealer before, but after doing much research I found that different dealers offer different pluses or bonuses or deals when buying new.

My questions:
1. Do you bargain with the dealer, like when buying a car? Or do you just pay sticker price when they go on sale?
2. Is it ok to ask for free stuff to be thrown in, like say the design software or other accessories
3. In my area, since there is only one dealer for each brand of machine (other than janome, I have a choice of two dealers for them), will they be less likely to deal since they are "the only game in town"?

Any other advice anyone has would be greatly appreciated... This is a huge investment for me and I want to make sure I make the most informed decision I can. Especially since I told my husband I would not ask for anything again LOL

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Date: 1/30/12 7:40 PM

My questions: 1. Do you bargain with the dealer, like when buying a car? Or do you just pay sticker price when they go on sale? Yes, dicker the price when ever you can. Some dealers will tell you outright if the price is final. Certain look for specials like the one about to happen with Bernina. If the dealer doesn't flex on the machine price sometimes they will be willing to offer a few accessories. If you know the price is low already then sometimes the later is the way to go.

2. Is it OK to ask for free stuff to be thrown in, like say the design software or other accessories As I said above sometimes accessories can be thrown in but I rarely have I seen software as a part of that freebie offer. Asking for free accessories may also be offensive to dealers so if they do not budge then as for 1/2 off on the ones you like best but don't ask for too much.

3. In my area, since there is only one dealer for each brand of machine (other than Janome, I have a choice of two dealers for them), will they be less likely to deal since they are *the only game in town*? Even if a dealer is the only one if its kind there are other sewing machine dealers still there. Mention that you are also looking at these other brands so see if that would be motivation for them to offer a good price.

Any other advice anyone has would be greatly appreciated... I would start testing the machines you mentioned before you even begin to talk about price. All the machines you mention are different in many ways. I would begin to narrow the field a bit for going in for the bargaining. Put together several sewing packets of different fabrics to test. Test threads too. Once you feel you are at the point to make a decision - go ahead and test the last two machines you like the best in a side by side comparison. Don't let a dealer pressure you to making a decision before you are ready. Don't jump at the first offer you get. You have to bond with the machine as well as the dealer. If you have a bad feeling about a dealer then that could be an indication of a troubled relationship with them down the road, when a maintenance or warranty issue arises, especially if you feel you cannot trust them.

Best of luck, post back as you begin your journey and if you have more questions. I am sure that others will chime in to offer other viewpoints.

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Date: 1/30/12 7:53 PM

I agree with warbler and just wanted to offer my $.02 RE the Janome machine. This one is SO new that I'm positive lots of accessories for it haven't come out yet (like certain presser feet, luggage, etc), so in that case I'd press for a discount on future accessory purchases. That being said, it comes with enough to keep one busy for years!

Speaking of accessories, check out the general prices for them as well. Some are fairly cheap, and work across that whole brand while others are more pricey, and specific to each individual machine. Sometimes this breeds brand loyalty more than features on new machines, because accessories are rarely usable across brands (exception for Babylock and Brother).

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Date: 1/30/12 8:03 PM

THanks for your advice. another question if I may. YOu stated that the machines I have chosen initially are "different in many ways". How so? From the research I have done so far online. The babylock and the brother are essentially the same exact machine *only diff. is disney v. nancy designs built in.

The machines I chose are the most current TOL from each manufacturer. I have not been able to really find that much difference between them. I have started an excel sheet comparing the machines chosen so far. If you know of distinct differences, please expound... it would be so greatly appreciated. It has been hard trying to gather up this info to put into one place.

Also, what sale coming up on Bernina?????
and sorry another question? would it be more economical to say buy the quattro 6000 then buy the upgrade packs that essentiallly make it a 6700d?

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Date: 1/30/12 8:17 PM

Join the yahoo groups for the machines you are considering. I know there's one for the Janome 12000 and the Bernina 8 series. I agree with Warbler that testing on your fabrics, with your favorite threads, doing your typical tasks is essential. With machines this expensive and complex, a knowledgeable, supportive dealer is just as important. Ask dealers what they would do IF you had problems. I think a response that assumes any problems would be user error is a red flag. I must say I love my 820 (the sewing-only version of the 830).

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Date: 1/30/12 8:19 PM

Bernina has a no-interest financing event this weekend, I think.

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Date: 1/30/12 8:29 PM

Read up on the Babylock Gold Standard Warranty. This is not offered on Brother machines.
The point made about bonding with the dealer is worth its weight in gold. I recently drove 2 hours (one way) to buy a used Babylock Elegante from a dealer I trust. She sold the machine to its first owner six years ago, has done all the service on it, and put in writing that she is honoring the gold standard warranty (which is not normally transferable) and including a six months parts and labor warranty. Neither the dealer down the street nor the next closer one (45 minutes away), both of whom also had used machines for sale, would even consider warranting them beyond a 60-day labor offer. I came VERY close to buying a similar machine from an individual and am so, so glad I waited. :)

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Date: 1/30/12 8:30 PM

post duplicated later???
-- Edited on 1/30/12 11:07 PM --

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Date: 1/30/12 8:52 PM

Ditto to everything said previously, but be sure to read all the reviews on this great website! Take note of the prices members have paid (some do include trade-ins), know the msrp of each machine! Some dealers are ruthless, I know of one that drove regular price to 15k, so that 10k seemed like a bargain! And 10k was the msrp! Dealers charge what they want.

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Date: 1/30/12 8:59 PM

how do you find out MRSP? I can't seem to find that information on dealer websites. or anywhere.

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