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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Bernina 580E ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Bernina 580E
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Date: 6/12/12 8:04 PM

Hello,
I have this machine since the end of April. It was my birthday gift
Since then I played a lot with embroidery. It is my first embroidery and first Bernina.
I really in love with embroidery and getting good results on this machine
But ... last week I began sewing more garments and kids purses on it. Couple days ago I posted my problem in another tread, but I think it is better to start new thread and get more help.
This is my problem description from another thread:

"I'm not extremely happy with my machine sewing part. Embroidery is amazing, but sewing is difficult. I'm used to Viking foot presser sensor, it was so easy.
With Bernina it's different. It is very hard to get rid of wrinkle in front of the foot during sewing. I never had that wrinkle using Viking, NEVER. I was trying adjusting presser feet presser, but the problem is, that I have no idea how properly to adjust it. It feels, that feet is pressing fabric so hard no matter how adjustments where made, then that wrinkle is forming. It is impossible to sew the line and mach ends of 2 sewn pieces at the end
Sewing knits with Benrina .. forget about it. I ruined 2 garments. First was expensive very light woven, little bit stretch fabric. It was impossible to mach 2 pieces because of the wrinkle.
Second was interlock t shirt, it came out as wavy as the ocean.
Help me please. I love this machine, I love embroidery, but when it comes to sewing, I feel it is just not for me
Please tell me that it is just me, not the machine. I really want to believe , that it is possible to sew as easy on it as on my Viking
Bernina makes beautiful stitches. I hope my problems are solvable and I'll be able to enjoy sewing those beautiful stitches ."

I did lots of test samples.
While testing I was adjusting presser foot presser. Factory set foot presser is 46, it is too much. I got best results with 20 on quilting cotton fabric, but not shore yet if I like it. Need more testing on different woven fabrics.


finished sewing, one peace became longer


Finally good results on setting 20




Testing stretch (interlock) cotton was a disaster. Look yourself No matter what presser feet setting was, it was wavy, even on 0 setting.
Stretch needle, guttermed thread.
Began with setting on 20


setting 10


setting 0

I also tried straight stitch on it, and it is also wavy at presser foot pressure set 0 !!!


What do I do wrong ? I get really upset about this sewing machine sewing abilities :confused:
I'll take all these samples to my dealer on Thursday.

Please tell me do I expect too much from this machine. Do I do something wrong, or is there something wrong with machine ?

I also tested orvelcok foot. It is useless. Does anyone have success using this foot 2A ? I tried on medium weight linen .. [QUOTE]
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I'm sorry for my poor grammar. English is not my first language.

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Date: 6/12/12 8:13 PM

I think it's fair to say that a expecting a machine to do both embroidery and regular sewing well is asking too much. I have found Berninas to be heavy on the foot pressure, and some people here have expressed similar problems (see a recent review of the 530 by Portland Maine).

A walking foot will help with woven fabrics. For the knits, there is a product that is an adhesive, wash-away tape I can't remember the name offhand. It doesn't stretch, and it is adhesive on both sides. You can stick your hem in place with the tape right where you are going to stitch it (it doesn't gum up the needles either, another plus). After you are finished sewing the garment, toss it in the washer and the tape disappears. Very handy.

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Date: 6/12/12 8:30 PM

Your stitch length looks really short on the knits. It DOES seem that the pressure set at 20 is best for the woven. I almost never use the sewing machine for knits regardless of brand. The serger and coverstitch are far superior. The woven "drag" is a bit much, there is obviously something wrong with the amount of grab that the feed dogs have. If that is the case the knit would really be affected since the fabric sort of "sticks" to the feed dogs anyway. I wonder, did Bernina change the feed dogs recently? Maybe they changed the way they are being made? Perhaps more rivets or something?
My 730 e does it all well...embroidery and sewing.
See if making your stitch length longer on the knit helps.
When you go on Thursday make sure you talk to the repair tech person, not just a sales person. Most dealerships have either a tech/repair person or the owner themselves is the tech...salespeople almost never know the mechanics of these machines.
PS Your photos are excellent. I think they give a very clear presentation of the problem. Another thought is perhaps the bobbin is too tight? Don't mess with it now ...wait till Thursday...there is the bobbin case for regular sewing and the bobbin case for embroidery. For embroidery the tension is tighter thus drawing the upper stitches down to create a nice stitch for satin stitches, buttonholes and embroidery. You DID change your bobbin case didn't you? The bobbin case for embroidery has a gold latch...for regular sewing it is plain. This is one feature of the 830 that is fabulous...there are actual numbers on the bobbin case assembly so if you change it you know what you have done...not just turning with no way to tell.
-- Edited on 6/13/12 8:34 AM --

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"The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." Theodore Rubin
"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life's about creating yourself." George Bernard Shaw
Dan 9:24-27

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Date: 6/12/12 8:31 PM

I think it is too much to play with adhesive, just to sew straight line. I won't play.
I don't want to use walking foot on simple woven fabric. This expensive machine must be able to sew with regular foot, that came with it
I know some people are able to sew knits, please, shear you experience

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I'm sorry for my poor grammar. English is not my first language.

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Date: 6/12/12 8:44 PM

While you were typing I was editing my post...go back and re-read what I wrote.

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"The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." Theodore Rubin
"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life's about creating yourself." George Bernard Shaw
Dan 9:24-27

Bernina vintage and computerized, Bernina and BL sergers , BLcoverstitch (a stray Pfaff and Viking followed me home too)

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Date: 6/12/12 8:44 PM

I'm not going to sew knits on it. I was just trying. I sew knits with serger and CS, but I sow people writing that they are able to sew knits with sewing machines.
I will definitely speak about feed dogs on Thursday, because I have that "pulling too much" feeling.
I'll run another test with longer stitch. What presser I shoed set ?

Thank you for answering my question and helping

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I'm sorry for my poor grammar. English is not my first language.

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Date: 6/12/12 8:47 PM

Even though it is a combo embroidery/sewing machine, you should be able to sew properly with it. I have two Viking combo machines and have no problem sewing any type of fabric. You are doing the right thing by making samples to show to your dealer or repair person.

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Date: 6/12/12 8:48 PM

Yes, I change bobbin case. I keep my embroidery bobbin case in the embroidery unit little box. I pull it out and use it only for embroidery.
I have no idea how to adjust bobbin tension, so I won't event touch it.
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Date: 6/12/12 8:50 PM

I agree and this problem has not come up on the Bernina combos before...something is amiss...but the factory settings CAN be off...has happened to all brands.

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"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life's about creating yourself." George Bernard Shaw
Dan 9:24-27

Bernina vintage and computerized, Bernina and BL sergers , BLcoverstitch (a stray Pfaff and Viking followed me home too)

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Date: 6/12/12 9:40 PM

What stitch did you use? Here is what my "test" turned up. Using a regular stitch length on the knit...really stretchy one...my fabric did exactly what yours did....really awful. If I lengthen it to 3.5 it was way better...then when I put the walking foot on there was NO distortion at all...perfecto. But I just used a straight stitch. As I said I have NEVER had to monkey with my pressure. The walking foot will take care of your issues with the woven fabric and batting too. I do not mean to tempt you but when you go in on Thursday take in your samples and a bunch more fabric scraps and see if the 830 with the dual feed works. (Just curious but as they say curiosity killed the cat )
I will keep futzing with this over the evening and tomorrow.
This is just normal sewing and the 5 series have the same mechanics that all Bernina's have and are excellent. Don't worry this will be figured out.

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"The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." Theodore Rubin
"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life's about creating yourself." George Bernard Shaw
Dan 9:24-27

Bernina vintage and computerized, Bernina and BL sergers , BLcoverstitch (a stray Pfaff and Viking followed me home too)

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