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Machines holding their "value" What's a Bernina 830LE with no warranty worth?!?!?
RipStitcher Intermediate Member since 5/28/12 Posts: 1404	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 6/21/12 10:59 AM On another thread, I told how I can get a less-than-a-year-old pristine Bernina 830LE with all of the bells and whistles (cabinet, software, more footsies, jumbo hoop, etc) for $8,500 from a gal who is selling it because she and her hubby are going into a full-time RV lifestyle and this behemoth doesn't quite fit into that way of living (literally!) Even with $6,000 in savings, I'm still toying with buying new just for the sake of 1) the joy of a new, virgin machine coming out of that box for the first time, 2) the warranty, and 3) the relationship with a shop - classes, etc. So, to me, at least on these high end machines, there is no "holding their value" because the manufacturers are not standing behind the machine for anyone but the original purchaser. I dunno... $6,000 is a heckuvalotta money to save - and it pays for a whole lot of classes, repairs (unlikely but possible), etc. Now for the issue of being a "second class citizen" when showing up for classes, etc.... lol... ------ nightowlsally.com On my radar someday: Babylock Serger, and some machine for travel. My dearest wish is to have Bernina come out with a machine that doesn't give me a reason to *not* buy it. 2012: New Elna Lotus (mostly for granddaughter), Red Elna Press, Horizon 7700, Gidget 2 Table, Babylock Ellisimo Gold 1970's: Elna SU62 & ElnaPress
Soolip Advanced CA USA Member since 6/18/08 Posts: 2009	Login to reply to this post 1 member likes this. Subject: Machines holding their value Date: 6/21/12 12:54 PM Why is there no warranty? Transfer of ownership should not void the warranty.
SewBusy63 Advanced IA USA Member since 12/10/07 Posts: 3258	Login to reply to this post In reply to Soolip << Like this post Date: 6/21/12 12:56 PM Warranties do not transfer when you sell a machine. At least that is what the fine print says for Bernina and Janome. It's for the original purchaser only. ------ ~Diana~ ♥ Bernina 830E ♥ Bernina 1150MDA serger ✝The Lord is my Light and my Salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1✝
CJ Tinkle Intermediate AR USA Member since 2/5/06 Posts: 978	Login to reply to this post 1 member likes this. Subject: Machines holding their value Date: 6/21/12 12:58 PM Buy it new. With such a complex machine as the 830 and all that COULD go wrong... you might be ahead in the long run. Some of the boards on these machines run over $1000 each... and labor isn't cheap either. ------ Bernina Artista 630 ✂ Bernina Aurora 430 ✂ Bernina 1300MDC ✂ Babylock BLCS ✂ APQS Millennium ✂ Singer 201-2 ✂ Singer 301 ✂ Singer 401A ✂ Singer 15-91 ✂ Singer Featherweight 222K ✂ Singer Featherweight 221 www.tinkletimes.com
bellsew   Advanced WA USA Member since 10/14/03 Posts: 390	Login to reply to this post 1 member likes this. Subject: Machines holding their value Date: 6/21/12 1:00 PM Some Bernina dealers in my area will "adopt" a new machine after carefully inspecting it and if you pay an "adoption fee", they will extend a warranty to the new owner.
SewBusy63 Advanced IA USA Member since 12/10/07 Posts: 3258	Login to reply to this post In reply to RipStitcher << Like this post Date: 6/21/12 1:02 PM It really depends on you. If you are comfortable with buying the 830LE used with no warranty, then go for it! She is offering a lot for the money. I would be sure the seller gets it serviced prior to buying it. That way if anything needs replaced, it will be covered under her warranty and you'll know the machine is in perfect working condition. I would also get the machine's history from her dealer, who should be willing to share that information with you. Will you be able to take the mastery classes (they are needed and very helpful!) at a local dealer? ------ ~Diana~ ♥ Bernina 830E ♥ Bernina 1150MDA serger ✝The Lord is my Light and my Salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1✝
SewBusy63 Advanced IA USA Member since 12/10/07 Posts: 3258	Login to reply to this post In reply to CJ Tinkle << Like this post Date: 6/21/12 1:06 PM You make a good point CJ. I just had my 1 year old 830 in for a yearly service. The L print board was replaced due to several wacky things the machine did all in one day (hooked up to a UPS). He felt it necessary to change it since those things could not be explained. I don't know what labor cost because my dealer gives 3 years free service and I didn't ask the cost of the L print board. I personally would buy new, but I've also sold computerized machines and know people do not mind not having the warranty. ------ ~Diana~ ♥ Bernina 830E ♥ Bernina 1150MDA serger ✝The Lord is my Light and my Salvation: whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1✝
Maia B   Advanced Beginner IL USA Member since 10/27/10 Posts: 3514	Login to reply to this post Like this post Subject: Machines holding their value Date: 6/21/12 1:20 PM I'm not aware of ANY sewing machine manufacturer with a transferrable warranty. I have a Brother, Pfaff, Baby Lock, and Bernina, all purchased new within the last few years, and all of the warranties state that they are not transferrable. As far as machines holding their value, the vintage, pre-computerized Berninas seem to do quite well. Vintage Singers are so abundant, that if they haven't, it's probably just oversupply since not every household has a sewing machine these says. The 830, like other TOL, may just fall into a price bracket such that, if spending "that much" anyway, one wants a warranty. The most I've spent without a warranty was around $2000, on a current model, knowing that my savings off the new price was enough to replace all the boards if need be. I also knew that I'd have no trouble learning it or getting it serviced, since I have 3 nearby dealers who've all sold me new machines. Janome, Viking, Pfaff, and Baby Lock (and maybe others?) also sell multithousand dollar machines. Their owners probably experience the same changes in life circumstances as Bernina owners do, lol. I wonder how the market is for all those TOLs. There's been a Pfaff CV at a local dealer for over a year for $3K. I was tempted, but I'm glad I bought the 820. ------ 🌸 Plenty of machines, mostly Berninas 🌸
ThePadre Advanced Beginner PA USA Member since 1/27/09 Posts: 817	Login to reply to this post In reply to Maia B << Like this post Date: 6/21/12 1:30 PM Quote: Maia B I'm not aware of ANY sewing machine manufacturer with a transferrable warranty. I have a Brother, Pfaff, Baby Lock, and Bernina, all purchased new within the last few years, and all of the warranties state that they are not transferrable. This appears to be quite true, and seems to be something that we (as sewing consumers) should start raising some stink about with the manufacturers. Imagine buying a car with a non-transferable warranty! All the sewing machine vendors are doing here is destroying the value of their own machines on the used market, to the benefit of them and their dealers and to the detriment of the very people who spent the money in the first place (who hold a valuable warranty that becomes valueless if they sell a machine). It makes the 25-year warranty emblazed on the back of many machines just pointless. Most other big ticket items got rid of such nonsense ages ago.
Maia B   Advanced Beginner IL USA Member since 10/27/10 Posts: 3514	Login to reply to this post Like this post Subject: Machines holding their value Date: 6/21/12 1:38 PM Are warranties on appliances and computers transferrable? I don't think so, but I guess I'll dig 'em out. ------ 🌸 Plenty of machines, mostly Berninas 🌸

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