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Juki tl2010q vs. industrial machine
procrastpat   Intermediate CO USA Member since 12/31/05 Posts: 18	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 7/15/12 1:26 AM I am in a quandary, I had already decided on a Juki tl2010q when my husband suggested I look at industrial machines. I want this machine primarily for fm quilting but .... my pfaff 6250 is giving me fits over tension and when I was trying to stitch bias tape onto the edge of a Taekwon Do uniform it just wouldn't do it when going over the hemmed bottom. (The sides of the TKD uniform are very thick as is the bottom so when the bottom crossed the sides it became unworkable - think very thick jeans) So are sewing heavy duty fabric and fm quilting on an industrial machine mutually exclusive? The industrial Jukis seem to come in a medium weight fabric model and a heavy weight fabric model. Is the tl2010q more versatile, or am I kidding myself? Can you really fm quilt on an industrial machine? Can you lower the feed dogs with an industrial, is there a thread clipper? Is the industrial a better machine? I could really use some help here. Thanks, Pat
Sonoma33   Intermediate CA USA Member since 5/10/09 Posts: 1655	Login to reply to this post In reply to procrastpat << Like this post Subject: Industrial machine vs. Juki tl2010q Date: 7/15/12 1:50 AM I can't answer about an industrial, as I don't own one. BUT, I bet the TL2010Q would go over the thick seams you are sewing no problem. I LOVE and ADORE mine and it handles thick fabrics very well. I'm super picky about that as I like to sew heavy bags, and jeans too. ------ Berninas 830LE ♥ Artista 630PQE ♥ 930 Record ♥ Juki TL2010Q ♥ Pfaffs Creative Performance ♥ Passport 2.0 ♥ Singers 221 ♥ 301 ♥ 500a ♥ Kenmore 1040 ♥ Elna 'Grasshopper' ♥ Tacsew T500 ♥ Babylock Evolution
Yarndiva   Advanced NV USA Member since 3/28/06 Posts: 360	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 7/15/12 12:26 PM I use a Juki DDL 5550N at work and also have many other sewing machines of various ages at home. I would not say the industrial is better than a home machine exactly. It is, as most are, designed to do one thing. One thing very well. As an example this one, the Juki DDL 5550 is a strait stitch only and flat bed. The feed dogs cannot be lowered. That said, it has performed very well on all types of fabric from lightweight nylon to very heavy webbing with appropriate needle and thread as required. They are relatively low in cost too. You can get a lot of machine for less than a new embroidery machine. Now, that brings up the bad side of most industrial sewing machines - the one thing well part. If you want a decorative stitch, even one such as a darning or zig zag, you'll have to use another machine. There may be ones that do other stitches, my own experience is limited here, sorry. Most do not anyway. Anyhoo...doing the free motion quilting might be easier on a home machine too as a darning foot is so helpful to that process and you may not have one available for a strait stitch industrial. The actual free motion stitching would likely be possible if you set the stitch length to "0" and if needed covered the feed dogs with an old credit card or similar. One advantage to an industrial machine with table would be the generous amount of space to work in. I am sure someone with more knowledge can post here soon to help on this. At home where there is no option for a industrial with table I use a strong older machine (a Pfaff 131) plus a reliable zig zag machine (Bernina 730 Record). I get comparable results to the industrial Juki with the old Pfaff for heavy materials if set with 110 needles, heavy duty thread, adjust the presser foot and tweak the bobbin case tension to match. Perhaps a pairing such as this will work for you. A nice newer machine and a good older machine like a Singer 201. ------ http://silkmothsewing.blogspot.com/
procrastpat   Intermediate CO USA Member since 12/31/05 Posts: 18	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 7/15/12 12:52 PM Thanks Yarndiva. I don't care that it only does ss, but I am mainly interested in free motion quilting, unless I have to sew something heavy duty of course. lol. What to do? Well you have given me food for thought. I know some other people on pr have used industrials for fm, I hope they chime in. Pat
GreenMtn Intermediate NC USA Member since 10/28/05 Posts: 293	Login to reply to this post In reply to procrastpat << Like this post Date: 7/15/12 6:57 PM I had a Juki TL98 and it did free motion quite well. I know Leah Day talked a lot about her Juki on her free motion blog. She now uses her Janome Horizon. Have you checked in to something like the sit down FM machines? I know there is a Handy Quilter Sweet 16 sit down machine. -- Edited on 7/15/12 6:58 PM --
sewplenty   Advanced WA USA Member since 4/1/12 Posts: 154	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 7/16/12 2:25 AM I have not used the Juki model you mentioned, but it looks like a nice machine. I successfully fm quilted with a Singer HD110. It came with the extra large acrylic extension table that was great for quilting. I found the high speed to be beneficial as well. I also made purses and the HD110 was able to sew over very thick seams. This machine could do zig-zag and had a needle threader and cutter. I am not trying to sell you on the Singer, I am saying that I do not think you need an industrial machine. Have you tried the Juki? Take your heavy seams in and see if it will work. ------ Brother PC420 Brother 1034D Singer SESQ6700 Singer Signature (New One) New Home Combi DX Singer 319 Singer Featherweight 221
procrastpat   Intermediate CO USA Member since 12/31/05 Posts: 18	Login to reply to this post Like this post Date: 7/16/12 10:40 AM Green Mtn: the sweet 16 seems out of my price range. $1k is my max. Sewplenty: I'd like a heavy duty machine and I've heard very good things about the industrials, plus I have the room. I tried the Brother pq1500s that is suppose to be very like the Juki when I was visiting my sister in the Bay Area. I live in a small town. I have to travel 60 miles to get my machines serviced and 120 to find any selection at all. Denver is 200 miles in the opposite direction. My point being, it isn't easy to check out many sewing machines. Oh and I liked the Brother but was only thinking of fm quilting at the time so didn't try out the heavy duty aspect. -- Edited on 7/16/12 10:42 AM --
Pyrose   Intermediate MD USA Member since 2/12/06 Posts: 2022 Board Moderator	Login to reply to this post Like this post Subject: Topic merged Date: 7/16/12 11:55 PM Topic merged from Industrial machine vs. Juki tl2010q into Juki tl2010q vs. industrial machine ------ Jennifer pyroses.blogspot.com ThinkGeek: "E-mail has been around since before computers. At first, e-mails were written on rocks and thrown at neighbors. CC-ing a rock e-mail could be dangerous for an entire village. Then, e-mails were written on paper and put in weird paper things called envelopes and the postal system delivered them. This was slow. Finally, e-mail as we know it came around."
sew2006 Advanced ON CANADA Member since 6/24/06 Posts: 1707	Login to reply to this post In reply to procrastpat << Like this post Date: 7/17/12 1:28 AM The long arm quilting machine's don't have any feed dogs in them so using one of these to fix clothing isn't an option. They don't even have a stitch lenght dial because the lenght of the stitch is controled by how fast or slow the person moves the fabric. Many have built in stitch regulators when used on a frame and special encoders are installed. Industrial sewing machines made for sewing garments fall into the light weight or heavy weight some are classed a compound walking foot machine. A servo motor cuts down on the noise when machine is turned on but not sewing. Buttonholes, blindhem, stretch stitches would require a domestic machine as industrials are a 1 task machine. Feed dogs do not drop and machines stitch 5000 RPM, too fast to be moving fabric side to side especially with feed dogs. Reliable In the link you can see a small picture of an industrial sewing machine and an 18" machine. The newest machines for quilting from Pfaff PowerQuilter p3 stitches upto 3000 stitches per minute with stitch regulator on a frame. All Industrials also use round needles. I recently got my hands on a Brother PQ1500S because I wanted a faster straight stitch machine, longer stitch lenght, love needle up/down and scissors. I did find the faster speed, adjustable preasure resulted in nicer free motion. With the exception of the speed industrials don't have needle threaders and scissors built in. The extra's cost big $$$ and aren't as common. ------ Janome10001, Babylock ESG3, Brother ULT 2001, White 634D serger, Pfaff 1472, Singer featherweight, Singer 14T957Dc, Bernina FunLock 009DCC coverlock, Brother PQ1500S, Janome CP900.
M.S. Intermediate Member since 3/6/09 Posts: 1140	Login to reply to this post In reply to procrastpat << Like this post Date: 7/17/12 11:32 AM The Brother PQ1500 does well with heavy duty. As long as it's occasional that you are doing heavy duty, these straight stitchers can handle it. It's only when you're sewing in a production setting that you would want an industrial that is specifically for heavy duty. ------ Pfaff 138-6 Brother PQ1500S Necchi 4795 US Blindstitch 718-9 Kenmore 16644 Janome CoverPro 1000 Singer 201-2

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