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Designer Diamond Deluxe vs. Bernina 780e
Which would you choose?
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Date: 8/8/12 11:48 AM

I realize that it is August 8 and the Bernina 780e is not even available yet-- but it will be soon enough. Maybe there is a dealer out there familiar with both platforms.

I already own a Bernina 820. It has been my first Bernina, it has been the most trouble free and least aggravating work horse of a machine I have ever used. I truly appreciate the first class shopping experience Bernina gives you and the world class access to online education.

I am glad I did not get the 830, as the company appears to be coming out with updated technology now only a year after my 820 purchase, I do not wish to trade the 820.

So here is my "brain lock"-- I am not interested in digitizing. At this stage in my development, I am still just a "plug and play" girl with embroidery. I would like to be able to add lettering to designs and have basic editing features on board.

I am very impressed with the projects that I see coming off the Viking Designer Diamond Deluxe. eg. high quality double sided metalic embroidery on sheer fabric, hoops large enough to do a huge Baltimore Album quilt block--- 1000+ stitches to include some up to 51mm wide with directional sewing.

The thing is-- I already have accessories that fit Bernina.

So price points being equal-- can the 780e give me what I am seeing coming off the Diamond Deluxe? Which gives the highest advantage? and for what reasons?

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Date: 8/8/12 11:58 AM

If you're looking at "editing on board"... you should go look at the Brother/Babylock versions....

I played with the Diamond Deluxe... and I ruled it out. Not seein' the value in that one. (It's a pretty machine, though!)

The Babylock will allow you to resize an object quite a bit (IIRC, go down by 50-60% and enlarge by 200%) while it recalcs the stitches. I don't think the other machines you're talking about will do that.

Accessories on other machines are half the price of Bernina footsies. So, IMO, the cost of added accessories for other machines is rather a non-issue as it relates to the price of the original machine.

Also... Babylock seems to have a program for a 3 year warranty on everything that local dealers here will throw in.

But if you love Bernina 'cuz it's a Bernina... I get that, too.

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Date: 8/8/12 12:01 PM

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I already own a Bernina 820. It has been my first Bernina, it has been the most trouble free and least aggravating work horse of a machine I have ever used. I truly appreciate the first class shopping experience Bernina gives you and the world class access to online education.

I am glad I did not get the 830, as the company appears to be coming out with updated technology now only a year after my 820 purchase, I do not wish to trade the 820.

The thing is-- I already have accessories that fit Bernina.

This part of your post pretty well sums it up - stick with what you know and wait for the reviews from actual owners and not the company or dealer.

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Date: 8/8/12 12:14 PM

If you buy the 780E, then your machines could share feet if needed. The software is different than on the 820 but I would think some icons would be the same so it would be easy to learn. I don't know anything about the Viking but I would wait until you get consumer reviews on the 780E prior to purchasing.

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Date: 8/8/12 12:20 PM

Wow! You girls are fast!

The DD will resize "on board." That was demonstrated for me yesterday-- it was a big pattern too, and she brought in stippling for the background and over layed the the enlarged pattern (stitch count adjusted) -- all right there on the machine. The user interface is really nice.

I am kind of that thought though...of staying with what you know, and I don't want to have to store a second set of accessories.

My sales gal works on all of them-- does not feel the Japanese made machines handle thick heavy fabrics (eg. embroidery over a denim seam) very well. I do not see projects with the level of sophistication that Diamond puts out, coming off of Brother/Babylock. They seem more geared toward "Stitching Heavy Patches" for people who want to set up a business.

But surely a $10000 Bernina could produce something that looks beautiful on both sides of a sheer? And a large Baltimore style block?? ....???

I guess time will tell. I bet this will become a good conversation in a few weeks!!

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Date: 8/8/12 12:20 PM

The Diamond does have a very large hoop.
It DOES recalculate stitches when making designs bigger and smaller. It works lovely with metailic threads.
What I love about the Husqvarna and Pfaff TOL machines the possibilty of getting entire alphabets into the machine with just a quick click.
This is not possible with my Brother 4000. I have to place a letter at a time and the internal machine memory has not got enough space for 1 entire alphabet! That's not very good for me.
To be honest I don't know much about the new Bernina so I can't say which is better but I can say the Husqvarna Diamond is a great machine just like the Pfaff Sensation and the Pfaff Performance.

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Date: 8/8/12 1:30 PM

I just purchased the DDD after comparing for a really long long time. I previously owned a 4500d and thought it was a great machine. I had sold it for other reasons, and after a couple of years wanted a tol machine again.

I ruled our Bernina as it just didn't appeal to me personally. I saw the 780 at the Long Beach Quilt show and it looked pretty like a 7/8th size 830. Huge and very Bernina like. Making a beautiful embroidery at the time.

The TOL Pfaffs are to me, kind of second cousins to the The vikings. You can see that the Designer Ruby is similar to the new Pfaff performance in capabilities.
I was going to get a Ruby, which I loved, but the deal I got offered on the DDD was too good and I couldn't pass up that beautiful large screen. It might take me a couple of years to ever use the majestic hoop.
But my real comparison was the Quattro/Ellisimo (Q/E) which I thought was it for me, but kept hesitating, because of the huge tv like screen and size. I just could not see where I needed or wanted the camera function. But then I saw the viking and found what suited me. The Q/E was so huge, but only has the 8 X 14 hoop and even with huge screen, the working area is actually smaller than the DDD.

The DDD seems to have more advance type editing features and just felt higher end. The DDD doesn't have a camera but the design positioning ability with on screen point and drag is awesome. I love the Brother Babylock stitch quality so it is just the user friendliness I liked better in the DDD. The built ins suited me better in the DDD. The variety of hoops with HV is just amazing.

I have always liked the Exclusive sensor system in HV, and was pretty happy with my Brother's copycat of that with the pivot foot. Except, the the Brother's has only one high lift position, which isn't as nice as the slight floating the viking foot does.

I just got my diamond and with so many things going on at home I finally got to pull it out and just at least start piecing a quilt with it.
It is wonderful! so high quality. The potential is amazing and I can't wait to grow into it. First impression, packing awesome and compact. I thought my Brother manuals are awesome. The DDD manual is even better, already spiraled bound. Everything beautiful out of the box.

I would give the DDD a serious look. It is a fortune and I am still in shock but with the 36 month 0% interest, I am happy to ease into the high price. I know there could be glitches as with any tol machine and I thought I would just sing the praises of what I picked so you could hear this perspective, not to take away from the other awesome machine that others pick. Can't have them all , darn!
I was fortunate to find a wonderful dealer in a Joanns and I'm already signed up for classes and a guest teacher next week. That is such a plus.

-- Edited on 8/8/12 11:39 PM --

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Date: 8/8/12 1:40 PM

As both a Viking and a Bernina lover, I understand why you are looking at both.

I'm amazed by the stitching of my DDD; the back side of the project looks as good as the front. It's such an elegant machine and affords very generous harp space without the behemoth size of the 820/830 and Ellisimo. (Size does matter to me...less is more in my sm world.) I have never found Designer presser feet to mis-perform. I find the built in embroidery designs to be the most sophisticated of my 3 brands. They are just beautiful, so versatile incorporating many techniques, and the quality of the stitchouts cannot be beat. I love the ability to sew without a knee lift...the machine anticipates everything. A little thing, but I love having a stylus holder right there at the right front of the sm. What I don't love are some of the sounds the DDD makes, especially the cutter, something which Viking needs to address. I'm pretty sure my Ruby was quieter.

On the other hand, I really love my 5 series Berninas. They have the scale and feel of the wonderful vintage B's with the modern advantages. The feet are of course the nice hefty ones, but you pay for that same heavy shank every time you buy a new one. And Bernina is pretty stingy with their supplied feet these days you will notice. Some of the 5's take extra stitches in the wrong direction going from reverse to forward, so be sure to test for that obnoxious little trait. I hope Bernina has an update soon to correct that for their owners. These are my go-to machines for buttonholes, which are simpler than my other machines and produce really lovely buttonholes. Overall, they are very lovely machines on which to sew, but they are behind Viking in many convenient little ways...such as making you lower feed dogs and presser foot for embroidery and not lifting the presser foot after cutting threads. I expect the 7's have improved on these issues.

Then there's the horrible history (which Bernina now tries to pretend didn't occur) of the 830 introduction, causing entire blogs of complaints of unhappy new owners who nicknamed it the "swearing machine." I certainly hope Bernina is smart enough to have the kinks worked out BEFORE people lay out thousands for these new machines. And that it doesn't require a semester long course to learn to use them, or a dental mirror just to learn bobbin insertion.

I'll be anxiously awaiting new owner reviews of the 7 series. The new bobbin system sounds really revolutionary if it works smoothly. And I hope Pfaff owners will chime in to compare the B version of IDT with the Pfaff. Then I wonder (besides price) how people will decide on which model to buy. But it sounds like a really great line-up for Bernina.

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Date: 8/8/12 1:44 PM

I have the 830LE (LOVE LOVE LOVE) and I recently acquired the Pfaff Creative Performance. And it is an awesome machine.

I think the 780's are going to be pretty awesome, but I wouldn't decide on one until they are out in the market.

I have not played on the Vikings--although I've taken classes at my Pfaff/Viking dealer where many of the machines showing up are the DD, and people seem to be very happy with them. I highly recommend the Pfaff Creative Performance. It has IDT in addition to absolutely beautiful embroidery. The price point is very compelling right now--at least I received an excellent deal as have several others on the Pfaff posts. I don't like the feet as well as the Bernina feet--but they are decent and cost a lot less--therefore I have almost all of them. I believe the feet for the Viking are very similar to the Pfaff feet.

I know you didn't ask about the Pfaff, but I would recommend trying one out with the others you are considering.

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Date: 8/8/12 1:48 PM

Quote: KPM
Some of the 5's take extra stitches in the wrong direction going from reverse to forward, so be sure to test for that obnoxious little trait. I hope Bernina has an update soon to correct that for their owners.

I thought this update addressed that issue?:
Bernina firmware update
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