Sewing Patterns, Pattern Review, Sewing Classes, Sewing Machines and Sewing Machine Reviews!
Platinum Sponsor: Stylish Fabric
Over 20,000 of high quality reorderable fabric

[SIGNUP - FREE Membership & 1 FREE Sewing Lesson ]
[Sewing Classes|Shopping Bag Your Shopping Bag|Login|Help]
Sewing Review and Pattern Reviews Sewing Knowledge Base Sewing Patterns Sewing Classes & Sewing Lessons Sewing Machine & Embroidery Machinery Sewing Message Boards Sewing merchants Blog Help/FAQ About Pattern Review
Enter your e-mail address:




Advanced Search
Tags
New to PR?
Sewing Machines
Compare Sewing Machines
Sewing Machine & Serger Reviews
Embroidery Machines
Sewing Reviews
Sewing Patterns
Review Gallery
Sewing Books
Sewing Supplies
Sewing Websites
Sewing Stores
Sewing Class Reviews
Sewing Expo Reviews
Sewing Tips & Techniques
Sewing Podcasts
NEW!Fabric Glossary
Sewing Review Requests Add a Review Request
Your Account
Edit Profile
My Page
Favorites
Wish List
Pattern Catalog
Notifications
Friends of PR
Join Friends of PR
Find a member
Deal Corner
Photo Album
Calendar
Chat Room
Chat Schedule
Chat Transcripts
Sewing Classifieds
Add a Classified
Sewing Contests
enter contest
contest report
contest gallery
Favorite Links
reviews with comments
merchant gallery
article archive
newsletter archive
Craft Resources
contact info
shipping rates
returns & refunds
testimonials

Platinum Sponsor - Stylish Fabric
Stylish Fabric
You are not logged in. Login here.



Message Board > Miscellaneous > Dumb question for the day. ( Moderated by Deepika, EleanorSews, CynthiaSue)

Please LOGIN or Join PatternReview
Go to Page:
Dumb question for the day.
English grammar: The use of then and than
ryan's mom
starstarstar
ryan's mom
PA USA
Member since 11/30/04
Posts: 4668
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/24/12 2:57 PM

Quick question for you English majors or those very proficient with correct English grammar. My son created a Power Point presentation which included the sentence below:

"If you like dark books with supernatural elements, then this is the book for you."

His teacher corrected the use of the word "then" to "than". I don't think this is correct because than is used for comparing subjects and goes in between the two subjects you are comparing e.g. something is better or worse than the other thing

Then is used to express a time, it either means 'at that time' e.g. I was working in a bank then. Or it can mean 'next/afterwards' e.g. We'll go to the shop then we'll go home.

Can someone please tell me which is correct...then or than? I say then, his teacher says than, but I want to make sure because it doesn't seem right to me. She has a lot of work to correct and sometimes a slip up is made. I want to make sure his work is correct. I've googled this, and it seems the answer should be then.

------
Big 4 Pattern size 12, RTW bottom: 6, RTW jacket 8, RTW top (no size fits me well!)
Measurements: 34 HB/36 FB (34C bra)/27.5/36 (and working hard to keep it that way.)
Machines: Sewing/Embroidery Combo Machine: Janome MC15000. Sewing Machines: Elna 740, vintage Kenmore Model 33 (1967), Janome Gem Gold 3. Sergers: Babylock Imagine and Babylock Enlighten. Embroidery Only: Janome 300E

If you think your sewing is better than everyone else's around here, get out of my way b****. I hate sewing snobs.

My blog: www.phatchickdesigns.blogspot.com

kkkkaty
starstarstar
kkkkaty  Friend of PR
Intermediate
UT USA
Member since 12/7/05
Posts: 2566
Login to reply to this post

In reply to ryan's mom <<
thumbsup 2 members like this.


Date: 9/24/12 3:29 PM

your son is correct....

------
Viking Lily 545
Viking Ruby
Bernina Activa 210
Brother 1034d

petro
starstar
petro  Friend of PR
Advanced
FRANCE
Member since 6/24/07
Posts: 2346
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/24/12 3:31 PM

Then. Than makes no sense.

kkkkaty
starstarstar
kkkkaty  Friend of PR
Intermediate
UT USA
Member since 12/7/05
Posts: 2566
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/24/12 3:34 PM

then is more oriented towards time; if something happens, then something else will happen.

than is used more for comparisons: I like chicken more than I like beef; or Red is different than blue

------
Viking Lily 545
Viking Ruby
Bernina Activa 210
Brother 1034d

jadamo00
star
jadamo00
Advanced
NY USA
Member since 3/13/06
Posts: 1264
Login to reply to this post

In reply to ryan's mom <<


Date: 9/24/12 3:46 PM

You kid is correct.

Is this for an English class?

j.

blue mooney
starstarstar
blue mooney
Intermediate
TX USA
Member since 12/21/02
Posts: 1848
Login to reply to this post

thumbsup 3 members like this.
Date: 9/24/12 3:50 PM

Teacher is WRONG.

------
--Robyn
sewing blog: http://bluemooney.wordpress.com/
illustration blog: http://storybooky.wordpress.com/

Vintage Joan
star
Vintage Joan
ON CANADA
Member since 7/16/07
Posts: 10243
Login to reply to this post

In reply to ryan's mom <<


Date: 9/24/12 3:50 PM

Quote:
"If you like dark books with supernatural elements, then this is the book for you."

His teacher corrected the use of the word "then" to "than".

I think I'm going to cry. Or scream. And then cry.

Merriam-Webster definition of than

The "then" your son used is just the second part of an everyday "If - then" statement. A very basic English construction, also used all the time in math/logic.

What was this teacher thinking?



-- Edited on 9/24/12 3:51 PM --

------
my shield and my very great reward ~ Gen. 15:1

Photo: A long time ago

rivergum
starstarstar
rivergum
Advanced
AUSTRALIA
Member since 12/17/06
Posts: 1467
Login to reply to this post

Date: 9/24/12 3:55 PM

The teacher was wrong. The reason probably was that ''then'' was a conjunction introducing the main clause after a subclause with ''if'', not an adverb of time. She probably thought that if it was not an adverb, then it had to be ''than''. Not true. ''Than'' is only used for comparisons.

In your son's case it was an ''if...... then'' sub clause and main clause, expressing a condition.

Phew! I had to dig deep to remember some of the grammar terms, but the principle is rock solid.

------
Taking in is happier than letting out.

Sydney, Australia

Changma
star
Changma  Friend of PR
Advanced Beginner
NY USA
Member since 2/20/12
Posts: 680
Login to reply to this post

thumbsup 1 member likes this.
Date: 9/24/12 4:12 PM

I am a teacher with an MS in TESOL...English as Second Language...I want to cringe when I hear about or see people who should know better do exactly what this teacher did...and you would be shocked at what I see every day. Informal language-fine; typos or innocent mistakes happen too. But a teacher should not be making that type of error when correcting a paper. And the best teachers are the ones, who, when corrected, admit they were wrong...especially to the student.

Sorry this is so long...this is a pet peeve of mine.

Edited to add: The dumb questions are the ones you wanted to ask but didn't.
-- Edited on 9/24/12 4:15 PM --

Miss Fairchild
starstarstarstar
Miss Fairchild  Friend of PR
Advanced
USA
Member since 8/24/02
Posts: 7936
Login to reply to this post

In reply to ryan's mom <<
thumbsup 5 members like this.


Date: 9/24/12 4:55 PM

Former college level English teacher here.. "Then" references an act in the future: "She left her sewing machine open, then the cat ate the cord." It also correlates to an If/Then statement: "If you don't eat your dinner, then you won't be able to watch TV"

"Than" shows a correlation: "She left her sewing machine open, and the cat, rather than having a meal, ate the cord. "

Two entirely different forms of speech. Your son is right; the teacher is an embarrassment.

------
"Play the cards you are dealt, but choose who is sitting at the table"..AARP magazine

SEE MY ETSY SHOP HERE: http://www.etsy.com/shop/AuntMaymesAttic
My blog: http://auntmaymesattic.wordpress.com/

Go to Page:
Please LOGIN or Join PatternReview
printable version Printable Version

* Advertising and soliciting is strictly prohibited on PatternReview.com. If you find a post which is not in agreement with our Terms and Conditions, please click on the Report Post button to report it. Miscellaneous >> Dumb question for the day.

Merchants on PR
Sewn Square One
Patterns for Your Style.
Web site
Gwyn Hug
Fabric Shopping Help!
Deals!
Lanetzliving Vintage Sewing Patterns
Vintage Sewing Patterns
Deals!
Style Arc sewing dress patterns
Patterns That Fit
Web site
Victoria Jones Collection
Timeless Hawaiian styles
Web site

Copyright © 2014 PatternReview.com® , OSATech, Inc. All rights reserved.
Conditions of Use | Posting Guidelines | Privacy Policy | Contact Us
Online Sewing Classes
Serging Ahead with your 5 Thread Serger
Fee: $29.00
(Regular $49.00)
Serging Ahead with your 5 Thread Serger

Online Sewing Classes
Altering Pants
Fee: $19.99
(Regular $59.00)
Altering Pants

Ottobre Design Magazine 01-2006-37 Frilly Blouse
photo
Review by Lori V on 4/2/06
Read Review

Peek-A Boo Ella Party Dress Digital Pattern ( Size 3 mo -8 years )
Peek-A Boo Ella Party Dress Digital Pattern ( Size 3 mo -8 years )

Details
Price: $7.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Oliver + S Apple-Picking Dress Digital Pattern (Size 6M-4)
Oliver + S Apple-Picking Dress Digital Pattern (Size 6M-4)

Details
Price: $15.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

McCall's 5804
photo
Review by 3kids1036 on 8/4/10
Read Review

Favorite Things Eco Market Tote Pattern
Favorite Things Eco Market Tote Pattern

Details
Price: $14.00
Add to Bag Add to Bag

SewBaby Snap Happy Diaper Covers Pattern
SewBaby Snap Happy Diaper Covers Pattern

Details
Price: $8.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Butterick 5958 Pattern ( Size 14-16-18-20-22 )
Butterick 5958 Pattern ( Size 14-16-18-20-22 )

Details
Price: $18.95
Add to Bag Add to Bag

New Look 6245 Pattern ( Size XS-S-M-L-XL )
New Look 6245 Pattern ( Size XS-S-M-L-XL )

Details
Price: $3.99
Add to Bag Add to Bag

Subscribe to PR Message Board Feed Subscribe to the PR Message Board Feed Add to My Yahoo! Subscribe at NewsGator Online Subscribe at Bloglines Add to MyMSN