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Date: 10/1/12 9:53 PM

Hello,

I'm having a hard time trying to find my size in a patter. I'm looking at a pattern for Pants. When I usually go buy pants or jeans I'm size 30 but when I used the measuring tape to measure myself I was 32 inches of waist and when I measured my neck I was 16 inches.
1. Should I use the 32 inches pattern or the 30?
2. In the same pattern says that if my neck is 16 my waist should be 38. Am I measuring myself wrong?

What to do?
Thank You!!!!
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Date: 10/1/12 10:34 PM

I doubt you are measuring yourself wrong. I have been sewing using those size charts on the patterns for decades and still cannot be sure which size to buy, especially for pants.

I would check your hip size, use the size closest to your hip size, adjust at the waist if needed, and be sure to make a muslin to make sure of the fit even after you have been careful with measurements.

How they figure your neck size should have any control over your waist size is just mysterious, to me.

People have different shapes and a huge variety of combinations of sizes on their body parts, so just use the chart for a guide.
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Date: 10/2/12 5:08 AM

I would measure the waistband in a pair of your favorite fitting pants. Compare this to the pattern's waistband and select the pattern size that best fits.

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Date: 10/2/12 8:30 AM

Thank You guys,

Im going to try what you suggested.
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Date: 10/2/12 9:31 AM

I wonder if mens' clothes are succumbing to size inflation as well? That would explain a person with a 32 inch waist wearing size 30 pants! This is rampant in women's clothing--what used to be an 8 is now a 0 or 2.

If that is the case, your pattern size will be different than your ready-to-wear size. It's *very* different for women--I wear a 14 pattern in the hip, but if I buy RTW I wear a size 6 or sometimes a 4. It's a little ridiculous. Just go by your measurements, though be aware that patterns sometimes have too much ease built in.

As for the neck size, this is based on average proportions. Someone with your size neck on average has a 38 waist, but it's just an average, not a directive. Blending between sizes is also very common (for me, 6 at shoulders/bust, 10 at waist, 14 at hip). Luckily, you don't have to worry about all-in-one pieces, like dresses, which makes the sizing difference less annoying.

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Date: 10/2/12 9:50 AM

Thank You!
That makes a lot of sence.
I think what I will do is re-measure myself and a pair of fitted jeans I like and then compare and keep playing with that.
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Date: 10/2/12 10:53 AM

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I would measure the waistband in a pair of your favorite fitting pants. Compare this to the pattern's waistband and select the pattern size that best fits.


Great idea -- compare it to the pattern's finished waistband.

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Date: 10/2/12 10:55 AM

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Someone with your size neck on average has a 38 waist

Is there a men's size chart where you're finding this?

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Date: 10/2/12 11:32 AM

Yes, in the back of the package of the pattern I want to buy. Simplicity 7145 for mens dress pants
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Date: 10/2/12 12:05 PM

David, there are a lot of threads here on the boards about sewing pants. Granted, the vast majority of them are for women, who will have different fit issues, but pants are a project NOT for the faint of heart! There's a lot going on in a well-made, good-fitting pair of pants, and the more you know about fit and construction, the easier time you'll have. I would explore the Fitting Woes forum for the threads on pants, and start learning all the exciting pants terminology! At a start, you will DEFINITELY want to make a mockup from inexpensive fabric first, to test the fit of your pattern and make adjustments, before you cut into your more expensive real fabric!

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