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Message Board > Sewing Machines > Janome 6600 & 7700 and Elna 7300 & 740 Excellence ( Moderated by Sharon1952, EleanorSews)

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Janome 6600 & 7700 and Elna 7300 & 740 Excellence
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Date: 11/8/12 10:46 AM

Have a few more questions on these machines and would appreciate any owner's or users, current or past, input.

(1) If you upgraded to the Janome 7700 or Elna 740 Excellence (especially from the 6600/7300 - Why?? Was it just harp space?

(2) Besides larger harp space and a free arm (which may be too big to be a useful freearm) what makes the 7700 / 740 Excellence machine any better? Does it stitch better/straighter? Does it have better peicing power? Is it quieter?

(3) Do the Elnas have the same "hesitation" going over seams that Janomes have? (In fact, I have not heard of Elnas having this problem. True??) Is the 7700/740 Excellence any better than the 6600/7300 in this regard?

(4) Do all/any these machines take the extra stitch before stopping? Do any of these machines have a "soft start" that being the first few stitches are done really slow?

(5) Maybe most important - if you buy the Elna version of either machine, can you use Janome feet? (and vice versa). (I am a foot junkie).

If there anything else anyone can comment about these machines that helps highlight the differences between the upgraded models and the brand itself I would appreciate it. Elna owners/users are awful quiet and there are not a lot of reviews I can find.

BTW - in case it helps - the main bulk of the sewing I do is home decor - window treatments & table runners, some small quilted things like casserole cozies and wine totes. My window treatments sometimes have a lot of layers. I have made baby blankets in the past but hope I can move on to making lap quilts. I may make some simple garments too in the future. I prefer having a free arm but my back up Pfaff has one I can use in a pinch. The only quiting I do is channel or ditch quilting - no FMQ- at least not yet.

Thank you so much for your help.

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Date: 11/8/12 11:50 AM

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(1) If you upgraded to the Janome 7700 or Elna 740 Excellence (especially from the 6600/7300 - Why?? Was it just harp space?
I upgraded from the 6600P to the 7700 the day it first came out: May 1, 2010. I bought it sight unseen because it had the free arm and the other features I read about appealed to me at the time.

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(2) Besides larger harp space and a free arm (which may be too big to be a useful freearm) what makes the 7700 / 740 Excellence machine any better? Does it stitch better/straighter? Does it have better peicing power? Is it quieter?
I found the free arm to be too wide to be of use with sleeves. IMO, the 7700 had a perfect straight stitch, better than any Janome I had owned and I had my fair share of them. The 7700's thread cutter is definitely a lot quieter than the 6600P. I can't remember if overall it is quieter, but I think it was. The stitches were lovely and perfect when the machine was working correctly (ok, I got one of the first lemons -- one of the first 500 produced, but you can read My 7700 review -- it's very long and detailed). I would say the piercing power is the same on the 6600P/7700 from my experience.

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(3) Do the Elnas have the same "hesitation" going over seams that Janomes have? (In fact, I have not heard of Elnas having this problem. True??) Is the 7700/740 Excellence any better than the 6600/7300 in this regard?
My 7700 did not go over seams better than the 6600P. It had nothing to do with the 02 foot, this was with regular apparel sewing. This resulted in teeny tiny stitches. The only Janome I owned that went over seams easily without hesitation was the MC4000.

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(4) Do all/any these machines take the extra stitch before stopping? Do any of these machines have a "soft start" that being the first few stitches are done really slow?
6600P/7700, there is no hesitation when you start to sew. The 7700 stops right away without taking another stitch or two.

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(5) Maybe most important - if you buy the Elna version of either machine, can you use Janome feet? (and vice versa). (I am a foot junkie)
Yes you can!

I know the 6600P is a workhorse of a machine. I loved that machine! I owned it from 4-2008 to 4-2010. The paint on the machine bed started to graze like an old vase. That should not have happened. I owned the 7700 for 5 months. Janome replaced my machine when I contacted them privately because the dealer would not help me, but I sold the new in the box one the same day I picked it up. My friend bought it and she is a quilter and it works perfectly. Her FMQ is lovely. She loves the 7700. She also kept her 6600P. So whatever issues my machine had, they apparently were addressed and fixed right away.

I would definitely take your home decor fabrics and test all the machines you are interested in. Make sure they'll go over the seams and thick fabric like you need them to. That's the best advice I can give you.

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Date: 11/8/12 2:49 PM

Thanks so much for the detailed reply. It really helps!

I did test the 7700 and the 6600 a year ago last summer a fair bit. The thing I did not like about either was the going over seam issue.

I did test the Elnas a bit but not specifically for this issue. I have never heard it on the Elnas. I will go back and test some more, but if I can find out definitely YES or NO regarding the seam issue then it just makes things easier.

I kinda thought the free arm was a bit large to be of any real use (except for making bags maybe). But I also thought the stitch quality was a bit better.

I can get a steal of a deal on a 6600 right now but I don't want to buy it just because of the great price.

Wish someone with an Elna would weigh in...

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Date: 11/8/12 3:24 PM

I hope an Elna owner chimes in! When I transferred my loyalty over to Bernina, it had to pass the seam intersection test! :)

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Date: 11/8/12 5:57 PM

Yep... that is why I stuck with my Pfaff - which is now not working AGAIN due to thread tension issues. When it works it has an excellent stitch and plows through anything.

I am just getting really down about the whole thing.

That, and I don't understand how in this day and age SM mackers can give us all these bells and whistles but can't seem to make a machine that sew over small seams. Or if it can, it has a whole host of other problems.

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Date: 11/8/12 7:09 PM

I have the Elna 7300 (janome 6600 sister) and I have not had the problems that some have described here with the 6600's, however I AM aware that some Janomes do bog down over simple seam intersections bc I've experienced it with other Janome models. So far, there's been no consistent characteristic that I've found to account for this. I do know the mechanical and electronic models tend to have sufficient power. It just seems luck of the draw bc motor size, amps and the rest are identical as far as I know. As an example, I once owned a 4000 that sew busy had great luck with but mine choked over the slightest bump. My daughter has an entry level computerized Kenmore/Janome at 1/3 the price that has really great power! Because of this, i checked carefully before I bought mine to be sure it was one of the "good ones".
ETA: i have come to believe some of these issues could be related to the feed-dogs being set higher or lower from the factory.
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Date: 11/9/12 10:40 AM

Thank you Sewfrequent.

Next week when I have more time I am going to test the Elnas especially for the seam test. I am intrigued and hopeful!

I will also ask both dealers about the feed dog height. You would think that the dealer where I tested the Horizon would have told me this and suggested this as a solution.

Nope, instead I walk out of there thinking that a machine (pushing $3k at that time, they have since come down in price) can't go over seams well and that is just the way it is. Why on earth would this dealer do this??? Humm... perhaps a good topic for another thread sometime.






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Date: 11/9/12 10:57 AM

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I will also ask both dealers about the feed dog height.
The feed dogs on my 7700 seemed to be higher on one side than the other, not front to back like others. My dealer's tech told me at the time, they were just fine. i knew this was the reason the fabric did not feed correctly. When my friend opened the replacement box, sure enough the feed dogs were even on both sides. It all worked out in the end for both of us!

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Date: 11/9/12 11:11 AM

I was really interested in the 7700 a couple years ago and have followed the yahoo group ever since. Still do, as its a great group that is rich with tips and info that applies to much more than the machine model.

So, based on that and keeping my eye on the prices, I have just two tidbits to add... It is possible to use the straight stitch plate from the Elna model on the 7700. The APC which sounds so cool in theory sometimes malfunctions, and is apparently easily damaged by user error.

The other is that I wouldn't pay more than $2000 USD for it. I've seen show specials for $2000 PLUS the table, trolley, thread set, and a Janome 3160. I don't know how Canadian prices compare.

I've read too that the 7700 will become a New Home internet model, only without the red faceplate. The 8900 which replaces it is white and silver (which I actually prefer). I keep reading that folks are trading up from the 7700, for $2000-2500 AND their 7700, which seems like WAY too much for what appears to be a few small upgrades.

So, not the answers you seek, Jane, but if you decide on the 7700, I hope you get a great price. I know you've been through a lot with your QE4, and I hope your next machine is a joy untainted by such hassles.

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Date: 11/9/12 3:42 PM

The other is that I wouldn't pay more than $2000 USD for it. I've seen show specials for $2000 PLUS the table, trolley, thread set, and a Janome 3160. I don't know how Canadian prices compare.





Interesting comment on the feed dogs being not level. That is something to consider no matter which machine I end up with.

Our pricing here is much higher, even with the Canadian dollar and the US dollar being close to par for quite a while now. I won't get either the 740 or the 7700 for less than $2400 unless I actually go to the US to buy it. Not sure how the warranty works if I did that.

Maia - not sure what you mean about using the straight stitch plate from the Elna on the 7700. Can you explain?? Good tip about the APC. It seems the more things are controlled electronically, the more chance for errors and problems. I wondered if the wheel thing wouldn't be come problematic too over time.

Thanks for the well wishes for a new machine. I am not really excited about buying a new one but I hope I will feel differently once I have it. am so apprehensive. I really wish we could lease or rent sewing machines like one can a car. At the price of some them, it really should be an option.



ETA to fix quote... Sorry!!
-- Edited on 11/10/12 0:02 AM --

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