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Message Board > Machine Embroidery > 5x7 Hoop, 5x7 Design in Ellisimo Gold ( Moderated by Pyrose)

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5x7 Hoop, 5x7 Design in Ellisimo Gold
Machine doesn't recognize hoop?!?!
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Date: 12/8/12 11:16 AM

Dragged this discussion over from another topic....

I just got the 5x7 hoop recently in hopes of saving some $$ on stabilizer.

I hooped up a 5x7 hoop for a 5x7 design this morning.

And no... the machine doesn't recognize this frame.... at least I think it doesn't.

I tried resizing the design down a bit.. so it was under the 5x7.

Every time I want to leave the Embroidery Edit (after creating a basting line around the design)... and I hit the "sewing" button... it tells me to go to a larger hoop.

I realize adding the basting line probably made the design a bit too big and the machine won't let me go out of bounds.

So I did try making the design smaller. Still no go.

I'm going to either call or go into the store today with this design on the stick and see what they have to say about it.

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Date: 12/8/12 11:37 AM

hmmm, the answer to this will be interesting. My Bernina hoops have always seemed to need a design slightly smaller than the hoop size in order to accomodate the area that is not available for embroidery (that the foot needs to move around in). I have noticed that the hoops size embossed on my Pfaff hoops is actually the size of design that fits. Or it could just be that having the hoops size on the hoop itself helps me stay in the right size! I have to say that embroidery on the PCP is so much easier than on the Bernina overall, this hoop size being one of the things I have noticed. I really want to know what you find out RipStitcher since I think the EG is really friendly and easy to use!

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Date: 12/8/12 12:01 PM

So go figure.

The thing is stitching out right now.

But... I had to ditch using the basting stitch.

As long as I went straight into *Embroidery* (and not Embroidery Edit), Ellie is not asking for a bigger hoop.

BUT.... Ellie thinks an 8x8 is in there right now.

I did the little boundary-preview-scan thing (the hoop moves around to let you know if you're in bounds).. and it's fine.

But if I look at the in-the-hoop view (that button on the upper right near the camera hoop scan button) ... it definitely shows that it thinks its in an 8x8 hoop.

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2014: Sold the 7700 to make room for a 5.5mm machine alongside side my Ellie.
2013: Wow.. no real new toys - too much family drama!!!!
2012: New Elna Lotus for granddaughter, Red Elna Press, Horizon 7700, Gidget 2 Table, Babylock Ellisimo Gold
1970's: Elna SU62 & ElnaPress

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Date: 12/8/12 1:25 PM

A lot of the Brother machines added after market hoops which your machine won't recognize as they didn't change the machine's software.

There are tons of basting files out on the net which you can download or if you have software you can make your own basting files also. I have a basting file saved for all of my hoop sizes on my ULT. I would download one for your 5 x 7 hoop and save it in one of your memory pockets. Then when you have a 5 x 7 design you can either combine the two files at the machine in embroidery edit or just sew your basting file first and then the embroidery design.

I don't have your machine but I'm pretty familiar with Brother's features overall because at some point I will have to upgrade and I plan to stick with Brother. For now I'm content with my ULT 2003D as long as my card reader and older software still works.
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Date: 12/8/12 1:39 PM

One thing I forgot to add is that with your Babylock and the 5 x 7 hoop you'll have to be careful if you need to move your design within the hoop though that you don't move it outside of the embroidery field for the hoop since your machine won't be able to tell you if that's happened. I would use your template that came with the hoop and the trace feature to make sure you're not too close to the hoop edges.

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Date: 12/8/12 7:08 PM

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A lot of the Brother machines added after market hoops which your machine won't recognize as they didn't change the machine's software.



There are tons of basting files out on the net which you can download or if you have software you can make your own basting files also. I have a basting file saved for all of my hoop sizes on my ULT. I would download one for your 5 x 7 hoop and save it in one of your memory pockets. Then when you have a 5 x 7 design you can either combine the two files at the machine in embroidery edit or just sew your basting file first and then the embroidery design.



I don't have your machine but I'm pretty familiar with Brother's features overall because at some point I will have to upgrade and I plan to stick with Brother. For now I'm content with my ULT 2003D as long as my card reader and older software still works.
-- Edited on 12/8/12 1:29 PM --

The EG has a basting option that you can toggle on or off for a design... no need for extra files.

It adds about a 1/4 inch around the design... which seems to be reflected in the new dimensions given for the design once the basting feature is turned on for that design.

So even after I added the basting, I then reduced the overall dimensions (which seem to include the basting line) to be under the 5x7.

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Wish list:
Bernina 550QE (for it's cute little footprint)
Sashiko
Ovation serger
APQS George ... oh heck... go Millie!

2014: Sold the 7700 to make room for a 5.5mm machine alongside side my Ellie.
2013: Wow.. no real new toys - too much family drama!!!!
2012: New Elna Lotus for granddaughter, Red Elna Press, Horizon 7700, Gidget 2 Table, Babylock Ellisimo Gold
1970's: Elna SU62 & ElnaPress

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Date: 12/8/12 8:03 PM

One thing you can do if you want to save a bit on stabilizer, no matter what machine you use, and as long as that stabilizer is on a great big roll of it and not precut at all, is to just hoop up without cutting it off a roll at all. Then make sure to unroll enough of it, on the roll end of it, so your hoop can still move back and forth freely, nothing get caught up in anything, and the rest of the stabilizer still attached to the roll and not cut off of there, does not somehow end up rolling onto the floor.

That way, if it is cut away or tear a way, or wash away or most kinds, (probably any kind not sticky paper) when you are all done sewing out,and remove the work from the hoop, you can just cut or tear it a lot closer to the actual design, and re-roll the unused part of it, that was nearer to the edges of the hoop, back onto the roll of it.

I don't bother to do that for most kinds of stabilizer, as kind of an extra pain to do that, but if it was some more expensive kind, and I wanted to be kind of conservative with it, or knew I was going to run out in a bad place if not doing that, then sometimes I have done that. I do always like the smallest hoop my design fits into for anything though, as I feel that is better for me, as then less likely to get anything flagging up and down, and also most of the time, just less push and pull factors going on when sewing out, in the smallest hoop I can use at any moment too. I don't have your machine, I just feel like that, on just any machine.

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Date: 12/8/12 9:38 PM

I do not have yet the 8x7 hoop.
But I figured out that you can change the width between the design and the basting border. It is on the configuration screen 7, Embroidery Basting Distance. I set it to 2mm. I am going to the sewing store on Monday most likely. Will see what they have to say.

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Date: 12/8/12 9:42 PM

Correction of hoop size 5 x 7.

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Date: 12/9/12 0:43 AM

I just went through this with a customer's Ellisimo Gold a few months back and for the life of me, I can't remember what I did to make it "see" that 5x7. I want to say I went into settings and selected that hoop size. I don't think we had a design on the screen. I know at one point they had a design that was a bit too big and the machine refused to do it-wanted to go to a bigger hoop. But I swear there is a way to get that machine to recognize that hoop! I am not at work and unfortunately don't have the Ellisimo or Quattro here at home. I am back to work Monday and I will see if I can refresh my memory on our Quattro2 we have in the store. But try playing in settings.

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