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Date: 2/25/13 8:04 AM

A friend who is very chincy money wise had a 201 serviced that belonged to her late mother in law at my encouragement which involved money and a road trip. It got new wires in the process and was sewing nicely. I will have to get over there soon and attempt to see if I can see what is the trouble. I suspect the problem to be in the strange foot control which is a weird box thing in the cabinet that has a piano type pedal. What I am wondering is what singer model vintage foot pedal I could test with the machine. I have a 401, a 66 and a featherweight here that the foot pedal could be borrowed to test if they would work. Are they all interchangeable(just the pedal) so they could be hooked to her new wiring? I'm really hoping a wire is loose or it's the old metal box foot control that the new wires hooked up to and not the motor. I feel very responsible since I talked her into fixing up the machine. She will be forever peeved about the little bit of money/time in this thing and I would buy a motor or foot control to get her back in business if need be. Being older she is older and petty about stuff like this and she is a friend that I work with and am around a lot at church so I need to fix the problem if I can. She has it plugged into a cheap strip but says the lamp works so I would guess it is not that. Please those singer experts here tell me what to do to trouble shoot. After this I am only going to tell people where to look for parts or whatever as I have gotten myself into this mess and need to get this straightened out. When we took the machine on the road trip to the old singer guy the cabinet did not go only the head and dh hooked up the wires to that weird #$#$ metal box inside the cabinet that called itself a foot control. The machine got a good going over I guess but the cabinet and foot control metal box thing did not.This machine and cabinet had been in unheated storage for years so who knows. I am willing to buy whatever if need be but I need to get her going again and not sure what to do. PLease help.

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Date: 2/25/13 9:36 AM

I once had a machine stop and it turned out that it needed lube on the gears. this should have been done by the repairman but you never know.
I surely hope you find out what is wrong.
There are Yahoo groups for the repair of old Singers that might help you out.

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Date: 2/25/13 11:21 AM

http://www.singeronline.com/si201foco.html

Check this page out. It shows the models that work with this particular foot pedal.

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Date: 2/25/13 11:41 AM

the plug for the foot pedal is shared between a lot of the early model machines.
you can still get them new, for not too much $.


the plug should look like this
-- Edited on 2/25/13 11:42 AM --

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Date: 2/25/13 11:57 AM

This is going to sound weird. At least it did the first time I read it and then I tried it on my Singer Rocketeer.

Turn the plug around to reverse the placement of the prongs into the outlet/strip.

The best I can understand this is, one prong is hot and the other is not. This has to match the outlet; hot to hot and not to not.


-- Edited on 2/25/13 1:29 PM --

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Date: 2/25/13 1:03 PM

You could take any of your foot pedals off your Singer 401, 66 or 221 and put it on that cord and give it her if you wanted to, but if you did, and let her keep them, and paid for a new cord for her, you would be a much nicer person than me, as I would never do that for anyone just out of a false sense of obligation like that.

You could also make her pay for the cheapest generic $18 foot pedal around and keep your nice ones. That sounds more like what I would do actually. It's not your problem that she is chincy, and petty like you say she is. Also by doing that for her, if you do, that just reinforces all those kind of feelings she has, over you and manipulative power of you, and that you are somehow always responsible for all her sewing issues. Do you really want to start that and have to drive over there and fix things for her just every time she gets some stuck thread or a thread jam or has her needle in backwards too? I think that is how that kind of thing starts often actually.

Don't know what a Piano looking like thing might be but if something like this:

foot control

Then probably an old ceramic block inside and maybe a bunch of coiled springs across that , and a spring that needs to move to even make it go up and down, that can get stuck when your foot presses down on it, and some copper contacts that could be very dirty possibly?
-- Edited on 2/25/13 1:27 PM --

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Date: 2/25/13 1:24 PM

Were the carbon motor brushes replaced? If not, before you start taking things apart, I'd check those.

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Date: 2/25/13 4:34 PM

Just got back home and was so pleased at the answers on here. I will reread them closely again and appreciate the input. I spoke with her this morning briefly and asked her if the light came on when it didn't work and she said no so I know it is not getting power. Am I right in thinking if it were the motor the light probably would have still come on. I will suggest she try turning the plug around. I probably didn't explain any of this very well. She does not sew and I sort of talked her into this redo as she has a really bottom line little plastic model that she wags to the church hall and it is always screwing up with bobbin thread and bounces about. I hate to ask her to sew on any of our church projects at home which she likes to do so thought if we had tablecloths or squares to hem she would have the 201 (she didn't even know what it was) that has been in her storage building to sew on. I guess you might say she is unaccustomed to spending any money on sewing stuff so every sewing or notion dollar is sticker shock. Honestly I'd buy her a foot pedal in a heart beat if it'd get the thing going again. I only wanted to test the machine with one here so we'd know the problem was in the foot control so was wondering how different they are. I'll happily find her another if that is the issue if that's what it would take to get it stitching. I really am obligated here as this was all my brain fog getting her in this deep and I really want her to enjoy the machine after all this time and effort and hopefully save this machine for someone down the road.
I had never seen a foot control like the one on her cabinet. The cabinet looks like a school desk and when you remove the bottom drawer there is an area hidden from site with a gray metal box that has elements that I suppose are like what are in our bakelite pedals. Dh hooked the wire to the potted motor and the others down to the bottom of the cabinet to the posts inside the box. On the outside sticking out of the drawer side of the cabinet is a little pedal that you use your right foot to use. It is nothing like the bakelite controls with the knee brackets my cabinets have though it may just differ in outside appearance. The retired singer guy did the lube and service and was supposed to open the motor and inspect and all that jazz. We did not take the cabinet only the machine head to him and dh took it out and put it back into the cabinet for her. I will have to remember when ever my machines need grease to see about hers. I guess I made her sound worse than I should have. She is just not a real sewing person just enjoys some of our simple stitching projects. She actually is a friend and I would like to see her have use of the machine and get it stitching. I am really responsible for getting her into this vintage machine redo. I guess I've been buying machines and sewing stuff for so long now I got over the sticker shock long ago and not being a real sewing person she will go through the should I put $ more into this or is it a lost cause. I really want her to be able to use the machine. She's probably discouraged as she painted the cabinet,took it on 2 road trips to take and pick up for service and rewire and now it's quit. I would be very happy to gift her with a foot pedal or whatever if we can get the darn thing going again. I want to take one off one here so we can test the machine and see if that is the problem. I won't use one here on hers but just want to test with one of them. It may be a week or so before dh goes with me over there but I am trying to figure out what could be going on before we do. Any ideas/thoughts you have are totally welcome/appreciated at this point. I'll let you all know how the foot control test goes.

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Date: 2/25/13 4:38 PM

Gothdom, it has new wires and plug. Singer man did all of that for her. The wires were a disaster area on her machine.

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Date: 2/25/13 4:39 PM

Thanks for the link I am off to read about the foot pedal.

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