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How well does it topstitch with also the thick thread in the bobbin?
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Date: 4/7/13 1:02 AM

I have been eying the Juki F600 for some time now and love all the features.
I am top stitching a shirt dress collar now and crying over the terrible results my basic very old Kenmore is doing. Horrible tension issues, nests, cannot balance bobbin and top thread when using top stitching threads in both.

See with a collar that will fold open like in a shirt dress I want both sides that show to have the same thickness of top stitching. In jeans and other clothing that needed to be topstitched I could just have the top layer that showed (needle thread)be the thick topstitching and it was OK. Not the best underneath but it wouldn't show. But with neck bands ie in dress here that I am making both sides will show and its a mess.
How does Juki F600 handle bobbin topstitching thread?
Thanks so much for info
PS I have used Guterman thick topstitching in needle and thinner same colour bobbin for all of rest of dress, tabs, pockets etc till I came to bands/collar...yuck with thick thread in both. Any suggestions? Collar may look funny if i use the thinner thread now.
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Date: 4/7/13 5:34 AM

I posted a photo here showing my F600 threaded with Gutterman upholstery thread top and bobbin.

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Date: 4/7/13 12:57 PM

Thanks so much Another reason to love this machine.
However I wonder how much different the actual topstitching thread (30m per spool) compares to the upholstery. It should still be fine I hope.
There is a Juki dealer 40 mins away. Hope they can offer same deal as on internet. I like to test drive it first plus hate to pay shipping if returns for repairs are necessary
I have not bought a new sewing machine ( just a serger) since early 80's...LOL ....Sewed thousands of yards on this one.
Feel funny spending a grand on a new machine but I will sew for many more years and its time for an upgrade don't you think?

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Date: 4/7/13 2:51 PM

Maybe your question should be, how easy is it to get any machines top and bottom thread "balanced", when using thick thread, if you don't even bother to turn the tension screw in the bobbin case looser to do that sometimes, if you put a lot bigger/thicker thread in it sometimes in that bobbin case? Sometimes up top a point works fine, sometimes you do really need to turn that little screw. Both the old Kenmore and the new Juki have the same screw for that on their bobbin cases even, just one is a front loader and the other a drop in bobbin machine.

In case it's just your old bobbin case in your old Kenmore and you screw there won't turn or something like that, maybe you could just go to Joann's fabrics even and pick up a real cheap new class 15 bobbin case on a hang tag there, turn the screw looser in it a bit, and just keep it for using it with thick thread in the bobbin. I think those really cheap ones there, cost only something like $2.98 actually.

Does not mean you should not get the new Juki at all, as that probably would be a lot of fun, just means it also has a limit of how thick a thread you might sometimes be able to get moving though even it's bobbin case also , with out either by passing the tension slit there, or turning it's bobbin case screw a little bit looser too even though.

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Date: 4/7/13 3:24 PM

Very few here would say the purchase of such a great machine as the Juki F600 for under $1000 is any kind of splurge...it's just a super great deal on an amazing machine. You might even be able to find a dealer with a payment plan. Another great machine that has everyone here buzzing is the Pfaff Creative Performance, but that one is nearly 5 times as much money! So I would definitely say go for it! Of course, most of us here will same the same thing - no surprise there. Meanwhile, maybe your old machine can be serviced to perform well as a back-up or class machine. Also, that's a really sharp looking dress - good luck with it!

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Date: 4/7/13 5:27 PM

There are more colours available in the upholstery thread here, so it tends to be what I purchase. I have used the topstitching thread with the same settings.

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Date: 4/7/13 11:33 PM

Thanks so much misschris, beauturbo and KPM.
I actually have been fiddling back and forth with adjusting needle tension and little screw on bobbin case back and forth till I was giving up ever to get both to not look like one was too tight or even harder to correct the bobbin thread stitch was always so wavy. I guess bobbin just doesn't like the thicker thread. Problem it was also making nests, skipping stitches and other malarky.
I am using a size 14 topstitching needle. Maybe that is problem too. Joanns has such poor selection of needles. But it was always bobbin thread that was was horrible. Needle thread stitches were not too bad.
I will try to go to Joanns and find some gold upholstery thread. I have already sewn front bands and am using a contrast fabric for inner band so the wavy bobbin thread is lost in the print. But collar is fashion fabric and green and the topstitching will really show if the bobbin thread is wavy. Of course i will use needle thread on collar that is turned over. Upper collar I think you call it. LOL having a few glasses of wine now and calling it a night
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Date: 4/8/13 9:30 PM

I think a size 14 topstitching needle has the same size eye as a regular size 16 needle, maybe good if you need it, but if it's bigger than you need, maybe your thread is kind of jumping around in there.

I think it is kind of hard to get real big thick thread in super long stitches sewn out nice on a thin fabric shirt,(like that photo) on any machine, because it would tend to try to sort of gather and draw up the thinner fabric, unless both your top and bottom tension thread tensions were both pretty loose while even doing that, and it might be a real pain to have to do that back and forth each time.

Instead, I think lots more easy to maybe just cheatand just attempt to make the fabric instead, more temporary like something much thicker and stiffer instead. Like spray starch it with lots of layers of the starch and ironing maybe until it's a bit just more even like crispy cardboard, then after sewing on it, maybe just wash that out. Might even work better with real thick thread and huge long stitches, on thin fabric, if you both stiffened it and had some tissue paper or such under it too. Of course then you got the paper to rip off and the stiffener to wash out later too maybe.

I think the softer and more bendable your extra thick thread and huge needle was on kind of thin fabric (and maybe the less ply's it had- maybe 2 and not 3 and not too terribly tight twisted and even more like cotton than polyester, then stiffen the heck out of the fabric too, the better it might work out. But if the the place the top and bottom thick thread just has to interlock together, even if it's right in the middle of all the layers and you can get it that way on thinnish fabric, if it really makes a big thick bump on that lock stitch there, and that lock is thicker than the two layers of thinnish fabric you are trying to sew it into, not sure what the answer would be.
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Date: 4/9/13 7:02 AM

unsure about doing it with top and bobbin thread as top stitching, but it works a lot better with topstitching thread in the bobbin, than in the needle, that much I know. I'll only sew with topstitching thread in the bobbin now, you seemt o get a much nicer finish than on the needle.

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Date: 4/9/13 10:23 AM

Excuse me for jumping in with another question, but for those of you sewing blouses with collars and collar stands, how does the Juki F600 do on edgestitching and topstitching with regular weight sewing thread (I use mostly Mettler Polyester or Guterman Polyester)? I have been working on cotton shirtings and silk crepe de chine/charmeuse. Thanks!!

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