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Subject: Need help deciding - old New Home or old Kenmore? Date: 7/26/13 5:07 PM

Hi PR! i've been lurking the board for a little while and have finally decided to get my own sewing machine...
I found two on craigslist, both are older machines that are looking for new home.
1. New Home Full Rotary 921 - $50
2. Kenmore 1302 - $120

Keep in mind that I have not used a sewing machine for more than 10 minutes in my entire life, I'm looking for one to start sewing simple stuff such as curtains, baby wraps, etc.
Any thoughts on which machine is better? They are both in working condition, I'll go look at them this weekend but want to have an idea of which is more suitable.

Thanks for your help!
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Date: 7/26/13 5:35 PM

I think those are both pretty old machines. I can only find a picture of the Kenmore. Old machines certainly have their advantages (I have a 30 year old Kenmore and love old machines) but they also have their issues and I don't know that I would recommend a vintage sm for a new sewer. I am wondering why you are going this route? For a couple of hundred more you can get a nice new mechanical from a dealer that would probably include lessons.

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Date: 7/26/13 5:49 PM

i suppose i'm under the impression older was better. lol. and the new home one looks to be in really good condition, for only $50. I can't find any info on it though that's why i want to try my luck here.

I was initially looking at a Janome Magnolia or the Sewist, and was intrigued by the Brother CS6000i, we have only 1 dealer in town and they sell Janome, I went by there yesterday and wasn't impressed by their selection nor service... (wasn't friendly, didn't have lower end Janome's to try).

I want something I can learn and grow into, a friend suggested I look for something used, besides a bunch of Brother machines those vintage are my only other choices. I figure if I was getting a Brother I'll just get the CS6000i, if I decide against a Brother I'll get the Janome, but if a good deal comes up I don't want to pass it either!

Do I sound confusing? lol I am pretty confused myself.

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Date: 7/26/13 7:16 PM

Quote: mamaweeks
i suppose i'm under the impression older was better. lol. and the new home one looks to be in really good condition, for only $50. I can't find any info on it though...

The problem with getting a very old machine when such a sewing machine newbie is that when checking the sm you may not be able to "see" what is really a problem. Thinking about the initial cost of only $50...if there is not a manual...then will have to order one from an online site...if it's even available...which adds another $10 to $15 to the "cost"...sometimes free manuals are available online...but sometimes not...also if other things are missing...it's an expense to replace them...if compatible items are still being made.

Many times such sms are found treasures and many times they are just money pits.

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Date: 7/26/13 9:48 PM

I'd take an old Kenmore over a rotary any day. You can still get basic parts for the old Kenmores.

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Date: 7/26/13 11:52 PM

Do you have a sewing friend that could go with you when you try them? She might be able to judge a little better than a newbie. You do want to try them first.

If the seller is a sewer, she might be able to show you how it works, too, but she of course wants to sell it.

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Date: 7/26/13 11:53 PM

The Janome Jems are great little machines.

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Date: 7/26/13 11:53 PM

The Janome Jems are great little machines.

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January 2009 to January 2010 81 yards out and 71yards in January 2010 to the present 106.7 yards out and 146.5 yards in. January 2011 to the present: 47 yards out and 69 yards in.

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Date: 7/27/13 1:03 AM

Since the Kenmore 1302 has an asking price of $120...I would expect it to be fully refurbished...has its manual and various feet etc.

But...checking for parts availability if something goes awry in the future...searspartsdirect shows seemingly more than half its parts are no longer available. Actually...no information specifically on model 1302...but it has "sister" models 1301, 1303 and 1304 and that is what I looked at. The full model # is 158.1302 which the prefix # shows it was made by Jaguar/Maruzen for Sears as a Kenmore.

New Home has been Janome for a long time. I haven't looked up its parts availability yet. As I mentioned before...if you have to get missing items...such as a manual and other needed items...that will make the $50 price not so attractive...and do ALL the functions work as intended?

Would you have someone go with you? A good idea anyway when going to check on a Craigslist item...for your personal safety.






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Date: 7/27/13 11:40 AM

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I was initially looking at a Janome Magnolia or the Sewist, and was intrigued by the Brother CS6000i...

Where were you looking at a Magnolia or Sewist at your local Janome dealer's shop or online?

I would love to have a Janome dealer in my small town...my closest one is a 2 hour drive through winding country roads...an awful trip which I won't do again. That dealer also did not have "low end" Janome sms to see and test sew...except for one and it was $399.
I also did not care for the staffs' attitudes...but hey...they are the only show around so I think they get jaded...but that doesn't make it right.

I did not buy a sm from them...but did buy a foot and ordered a couple of other feet for the Kenmore made by Janome sm I already owned (nearly identical model to the $399 they had)...and the staff was much nicer it seemed about that. The feet on order were mailed to me with free shipping so I thought that was a plus.

So...your Janome dealer didn't have a Magnolia 7318 or Sewist 500 to see and test sew on?

Personally...if I were new to sewing...I would LOVE to have either one of those sms! It would IMHO be a piece of cake to sew on those. And...the icing on the cake would be to have a local dealer to go to about any problems that MIGHT arise. Maybe...just maybe...the day that you were at your local dealers was just an off time for them...try once more to see if you get a better vibe.

The mechanical differences between the Magnolia 7318 and the Sewist 500 are that the Sewist for $50 more (at online vendors) has a few more features. It has a needle threader (my sm does as well but I don't use it), a one step buttonhole feature (nice...but Magnolia's 4 step BH feature is good enough), more stitch patterns (which may never be used), and 3 level pressure adjustment (good if sewing light weight or heavy fabrics). For the extra $50 it's a good set of extra features...but I personally would be thrilled with the Magnolia 7318. There are also computerized Magnolias for more $...but didn't think you were referring to those...since you mentioned looking at the Sewist which is mechanical like the Magnolia 7318.

Check out this online vendor (NAYY...means not affiliated with... yada yada)...

Magnolia 7318

This vendor (NAYY) has a 6 month finance plan with 0% interest. I have not purchased a sm from this vendor so I can not vouch for how that would be...but they are a well known and trusted vendor.

I suspect that the 0% interest plan is something that requires qualification...and I have purchased appliances from Sears with a similar 0% plan...and it worked well.

BUT...payments must be on time...with these types of plans even if ONE payment is just LATE...then the special 0% interest plan is defaulted and interest is applied to the FULL purchase amount...even if many payments have already been made...and the resulting interest rate is HIGH...so be aware of that.

Check out the demo video of the Magnolia...it a nice video. Also, read the reviews...one reviewer does point out some incidental negatives about the Magnolia 7318...but she does state that even with those she still loves it.

Keep in mind that the Magnolia 7318 and the Sewist 500 are full size sewing machines...makes sewing large projects easier. While the Brother CS6000i is a much loved model...it is what is called a 3/4 size sewing machine...meaning that it's smaller than a full sized sewing machine. To me...a 3/4 size sewing machine in appearance and use is much smaller than just being 1/4 smaller than a full size sm.

Hoping not to confuse you...just FYI...there are sewing machines which are considered full size but are actually smaller than the Magnolia and Sewist (which are true full size) so a 3/4 size would be even smaller. Have you seen a CS600i in person?

Sorry to make such a long post. Just hoping that you get the best start possible in your sewing future. I am not disrespecting a fine working vintage sewing machine...just concerned that getting one that has not been very well cared for or fully refurbished...it may not have full working functions...and being new to sewing machines you would not know if it was the sewing machine's error or yours. Waiting for parts to arrive when you want to be sewing and learning is not good...and the cost of having repairs done would not save $ in the long run.

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