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Date: 8/27/13 2:30 PM

My wife has decided I have enough skill to at least try to make a dress for her. She likes the looks of the above pattern and it looks doable for me. The sizing chart says it's for size 10 and above. If that is european sizing I'm good. The conversion to US standards is from 6 and above which would work. So is the sizing of this pattern in fact european or am I making a mistake?

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Date: 8/27/13 4:31 PM

No...patterns don't translate well to ready to wear sizing. The best thing to do is to take measurements.

This pattern (luckily) has the finished bust measurement listed. For example, the smallest size is for a 30 1/2" bust...but the finished garment in that size measures 38" in the bust - that's 7.5" of ease! Most people don't require that much ease in a top/dress especially one that looks to be at least semi-fitted.

e.g., If I went by my own bust measurement I'd 'need' a size 16. But that would be a tent once sewn. I would cut something between a 12 and a 14 to get the amount of ease that *I* personally like.

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My Big 4 Sizing: Medium | Tops 14/16 | Pants 18 | Skirts 16/18.

My Measurements: 36 HB | 38.5 FB | 34 W | 44 Hip

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Date: 8/27/13 5:32 PM

If this pattern is the Simplicity Amazing Fit Pattern (the model is wearing a dress with red and pink flowers on a white background), then this dress is one that allows for for different cup sizes (which is helpful if your wife is not a B cup).
The pattern sizes (NOT the same as ready-to-wear sizes) run from 10 to 18 misses and 20W to 28W women's. The corresponding bust sizes are from 32.5 to 40 inches in misses and 42 to 50 inches in women's.
With this pattern all of the misses sizes come in one envelope and similarly, the women's sizes all come together in a different envelope. Unless your wife's bust measurement is smaller or larger than then ends of these size ranges, this pattern should work. You would buy the correct envelope and set to work.
You will find instructions in the Amazing Fit series on how to then truly determine the size to sew (although it always helps to make a muslin or practice garment to make sure of fit).
Once you get the pattern and get started, you can check back here and ask more questions.

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Date: 8/27/13 6:36 PM

Doh! I think I looked at 2447. Oops...

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My Big 4 Sizing: Medium | Tops 14/16 | Pants 18 | Skirts 16/18.

My Measurements: 36 HB | 38.5 FB | 34 W | 44 Hip

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Date: 8/27/13 6:54 PM

Not european, but I still think it's going to be too big for her, even if cut at the very smallest size and even if it's supposed to be kind of a "cup size, and a special fitting" pattern. Just because most sewing patterns of clothes and for USA sewing pattern sizes even always start out with at least a size USA pattern size 6 or 8, (in the size ranges) and then go up from there instead and some few might even have a starting size 4 in there, and that one does not do either of those things at all, it just skips all that and starts at size 10 instead.

Why I think they did that there, was probably just because it goes from size 10 as the smallest all the way up to size 28 which is really big range of sizes. so most sewing patterns never even have that huge wide range of sizes either. In order to do that, I think they just dropped out, and left out, some of the smaller sizes actually. So I would just look at the bust size actually, but if she is very slim, does not have a huge bust, and has narrow shoulders, and her bust is less than 32 1/2 inches and her waist is less than 25 inches too, then I think even in the smallest size they give you there, it's just going to be, really loose and hanging off of her. If cut in very smallest they even make just in that one particular pattern, then actual fabric is going to be 36 and half inches around her fullest part of her chest. If that sounds too big for her, she might be right/correct there.

In that case, look at all the other patterns and maybe just pick one with the same kind of styling that really starts at USA sewing pattern size and had more a size range in each envelope more in the 6 to 12, or 4-10 ranges on even the back of the pattern envelope. Just since lots of them really are more sized like that instead.
-- Edited on 8/27/13 6:58 PM --

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Date: 8/28/13 0:37 AM

The only way you'll know whether the pattern will fit your wife is to measure her. ALWAYS go by measurements. Most of the Big Four sizes are *smaller* than US ready-to-wear (which is why we get a fair number of posts saying, "Hey, I'm a size 10, but according to my measurements, I should buy a size 16 -- what's going on?!?"

On top of chosing the right size, you should be aware of wearing and style ease -- respectively, that's the amount of extra room beyond the body measurements (allowing you to move in the garment) and the extra room beyond body measurements to make the garment look the way it's supposed to (think tailored coat versus poncho, for an extreme example).

The pattern your wife has chosen *says* it has about two inches of wearing ease in the bust, but it's possible that it may have more: Simplicity is notorious for running big. Keeping the amount of wearing ease in mind, you can make allowances for this before you even cut out the pattern pieces by measuring the pattern (less seam allowances, of course!), and then deciding which size to make.

I'd strongly suggest you make a muslin (a practice garment) before you cut into your good fabric. That way you can work out any fitting issues without having to worry about spoiling "the good stuff."

Good luck with your project. I'm sure that, if nothing else, you'll learn a lot along the way! :)
-- Edited on 8/28/13 3:30 AM --

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Date: 8/28/13 7:32 AM

Do not forget that society is into "vanity" sizes. Always go by measurements-no one alive is a size 2, unless you are 8 or 9. All bodies have measurements-take them and use them when purchasing patterns. I wear a size 16 RTW but use a size 22 for my measurements. It is just a number. Originally, pattern sizes went by age and not measurements. When I was a teenager-the "perfect size" was a size 16-which had a 34" bust. Again, do not fall into the vanity sizes.

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