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Classix Nouveau Razor-Sha (Classix Nouveau Razor-Sharp Pa)
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Cotton/ lycra woven is notorious for having a mind of its own. It may not be you at all, but this particular fabric. Any variation on the grain will show up, and one yard may have a slightly different tension than the next. All in all I think your pants look good. You might try pinching out a little length in the front rise at the zipper area. You would have to take the equivalent out of the fly pieces as well, so maybe making a side or back zip version would help to work ou the fit issues.
5/23/06 7:19 PM
About those pesky drag lines.....yes, I'm the one who suggested a "covert" high hip..... once again, the drag lines are on the right side of your pants. If you put them on and tug the right sideseam down (it will not feel good around the waist), do the drag lines disappear? That would be an indication that you need a little more length in the upper hip on the right side. Another clue: the right pants leg looks shorter; more of your heel is showing on the right side. Do any RTW pants show the same evidence, or is Georgene's suggestion about the finickiness of cotton/lycra more likely?
5/23/06 7:30 PM
The pants are looking pretty good, almost there. Kudos on your patience working out the kinks! I'm thinking maybe they just need to be lengthened a little from the waist to the hip -- maybe you are either taller or more long-waisted than the average the pattern is based on. (?)
5/23/06 10:29 PM
I agree with wvsher that you may need to lengthen the crotch to get rid of the drag lines - it's worth a try but before you cut out another pair pull these slacks down below your waist a bit and maybe you can see if having an inch or so extra in the depth would help. Getting pants to fit correctly is a time consuming(and often frustrating) affair but it looks as if you are on the right track with these!!
5/23/06 11:24 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Karla, I just took your advice and put on my favorite rtw pants, and looked in a mirror with a mirror in my hand, and lo and behold, the same drag lines on my right side. So, I have a high hip. D'oh! The fitting mystery is closer to being understood. Now it's a question of playing with how much to add to the right side of all my pants, as I'm sure this is adjust ment I'll need on most pants. I will do my fourth muslin with a non lycra fabric, taking Georgene's advice, and figure out how to correct for the high hip that Karla first spotted on a pair of burda's with me, and maybe also lengthen the waist to hip as wvsher suggests in these pants as I think it would make them more flattering. It's a good thing I like to tinker, lol. thanks!
5/24/06 0:52 AM
Before you go and alter everything, consider something else: a
high hip. I like to stand with my weigh on one hip or the other too, but if I altered my pants to fit that, I'd end up with drag lines half the time :-). Clearly you're physically capable of standing straight, you have the photo to prove it, so it's not an organic thing, just a habit thing... Personally, I don't consider an occasional drag line a reason to change long-standing habits, after all other people wear ready-to-wear pants that don't fit them nearly as well to begin with :-).
5/24/06 3:32 AM
Tara -- I don't know how similar the crotch depth on these pants is to the Pants to Die For, but I had to lengthen quite a bit from waist to crotch line. Since you're tallish, you might need to do something similar.
5/24/06 7:00 AM
I sent you a message on the high right hip, as Karla mentions. I also think that you may have to have a bit more crotch depth. But, I also have had problems with cotton lycra and just chucked a pair. If you need a longer crotch you can sew it deeper in the finished pant. You look really close in the fit department, don't dispair. Pants are the hardest and yours will look great with just a bit more work. I'd also lengthen the leg a little bit. I who have a short crotch depth, made this pant and had to reduce the hem depth because the leg was too short. I am not sure on her sewing order. Other pants sew the inner legs then put the crotch together which keeps the inseam sas flat. Mine want to fold over. I think that next time I will sew the order I have other pants.
5/24/06 8:38 AM
Well they look good! I wondering what the fitting solution will be?
5/24/06 9:51 AM
you might also consider making the hem circumference wider in addition to lengthening the leg, both to make it look more like the drawing and to make it more flattering.
5/24/06 10:24 AM
Thanks for your review -I'm working on my Razor-Sharp pants muslin now. I'm going to use fabric without lycra for this first pair based on your feedback comments. Linda (redsqiud)
5/24/06 1:25 PM
I ditto Karla's observations about the high right hip. It seems quite apparent from your back view. I have the high hip problem, also. My adjustments include the extra length in the upper part of the waist/hip on the right side only and a little redrawing of the hip curve on the right side (front and back). You don't mention a problem with twisting, but some people with one hip higher also have a problem with their pants twisting off center around the body while wearing. I have this problem because my right hip is a little bit fuller than the left, so I add a good quarter inch (total, half inch) to the right front and back front sides. This pretty much solves the twisting. Keep plugging away. It's very rewarding when you finally get a great fitting pair of pants!
5/24/06 1:34 PM
Congrats on the pants, Tara! Isn't it funny how we will be so critical of what we sew, and not even notice those same draglines in RTW? I haven't sewn in 2 weeks, so I have no progress on my version to report. (Hopefully this weekend.)
5/26/06 5:12 AM
Thanks Anne. I look forward to seeing yours! I went to a class with a Bay Area fit expert, Jane Foster, and got the Burda pants fixed. We looked at these, and we lowered the crotch even more and corrected for the right high hip, and they fit much much better now. Now I just need to try them again in a non lycra fabric, perhaps put an invisible zipper in the back instead of a front fly, transfer the fit adjustments to the pattern, and I should have a great pair of pants. She was also not sure that it was a flattering style in general on me, and I tend to agree with her. I think my hips look better in a different cut. That's not a criticism of the pattern. As we've seen from the other reviews these pants look terrific on many people. I will give them one more try with the fit adjustments and then make my decision about whether this pattern is right for me or not. Ah...someday....someday....I will find the right style and learn how to create the right fit. Once again though, I have to give hotpatterns credit. Every time I work with one of their patterns, I learn a ton. I'm looking forward to working on their trouser skirt and their shirtdress!
5/27/06 3:01 PM
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