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googling "silk fringe" seems to be a mistake (Moderated by Deepika, Sharon1952)
Posted on: 3/28/06 11:41 AM ET
I'm trying to find some fringe made out of silk, at least 3 or 4" long, that I could sew to a silk scarf and dye. No luck so far at my usual haunts (Thai Silks, Dharma, Silk Connection). Anybody have any suggestions?
Posted on: 3/28/06 3:59 PM ET
In reply to Tiger B
I don't know that I've ever seen silk fringe. Maybe Rayon would work. It dyes very well and often has a silky texture. I added some to a silk scarf made from a piece of Japanese kimono silk. I'm pretty sure it was one of these from Vogue Fabrics (I live near their Evanston store, so I didn't order it online: they might send you a swatch.)
Vogue Rayon Chainette
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Vogue Rayon Chainette
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Hope has two lovely daughters: Anger and Courage
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Posted on: 3/28/06 4:01 PM ET
I've only seen chainette in rayon as far back as I can remember. It will dye beautifully though.
Posted on: 3/28/06 4:28 PM ET
You could buy narrow silk ribbon, either straight-cut or bias, and dye it--but it would be pricey, considering the yardage you'll need. Here's an ebay source of such ribbon. Although I have looked lustfully at their stuff, I've never bought, and thus have no info on them:
http://www.silkthings.com/catalog.php?cat=002#sub013
I guess one other possibility is to see if there exists heavy silk (pearl cotton weight) embroidery thread and make a fine fringe from that.
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http://www.silkthings.com/catalog.php?cat=002#sub013
I guess one other possibility is to see if there exists heavy silk (pearl cotton weight) embroidery thread and make a fine fringe from that.
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Elona
Posted on: 3/28/06 6:11 PM ET
In reply to Gigi Louis
Quote: Gigi Louis
I've only seen chainette in rayon as far back as I can remember. It will dye beautifully though.
I've only seen chainette in rayon as far back as I can remember. It will dye beautifully though.
Have you done it with success? Hmm, I might try that then.
My problem is that it's notoriously hard to get fringe that matches the thing you are hand-dying. I'd much rather sew the fringe on the scarf and then dye the whole thing.
Posted on: 3/28/06 8:05 PM ET
I don't know if dying the whole thing at once would work for getting a good match between silk and fringe...because if you go with that rayon fringe, you've got two different fibers there. I think I would dye the silk first, since you already have it and am assuming you don't have any scraps of it to play around with. How it turns out is how it turns out! Then, when you buy your fringe, get a little extra and play around with dying little bits of it to see how the color turns out. Start with the same mix you used for the scarf; if it ends up different, you'll be able to see how it is skewed and what color you should add to balance it out.
Posted on: 3/28/06 9:20 PM ET
I have dyed rayon chainette with great results. It takes dye much faster than you think, so test, and be prepared to literally dive in with rubber gloves. I have used just plain Rit dyes with sucess.
HTH!
Ann
HTH!
Ann
Posted on: 3/29/06 0:28 AM ET
The other thing to consider is that Silk is a protein fiber while rayon is cellulose. Rayon does take dye beautifully with regular dyes. (its a short fiber made from regenerated wood pulp- there are lots of hydrogen bonding points for the dye to "fix" itself to.)
But Silk is woven from long, continuous, protein fibers - it "takes" dyes well, but the dyes don't have as many bonding points on the fibers. I think silk does better with an acid dye if you want the dye to remain be fadeless or non-fugitive (non-running.)
Do the two pieces have to "match" exactly? or just be close? or complement each other?
Even if they "match" when you first dye them as a one-piece garment, the two pieces will likely fade/run at different rates.
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But Silk is woven from long, continuous, protein fibers - it "takes" dyes well, but the dyes don't have as many bonding points on the fibers. I think silk does better with an acid dye if you want the dye to remain be fadeless or non-fugitive (non-running.)
Do the two pieces have to "match" exactly? or just be close? or complement each other?
Even if they "match" when you first dye them as a one-piece garment, the two pieces will likely fade/run at different rates.
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I am going for a level of perfection that is only mine... Most of the pleasure is in getting that last little piece perfect...Inspiration is for amateurs. The rest of us just keep showing up and doing the work.
Chuck Close, painter, printmaker, photographer
Hope has two lovely daughters: Anger and Courage
St. Augustine
Chuck Close, painter, printmaker, photographer
Hope has two lovely daughters: Anger and Courage
St. Augustine
Posted on: 3/29/06 10:46 AM ET
In reply to tlmck3
Quote: tlmck3
The other thing to consider is that Silk is a protein fiber while rayon is cellulose. Rayon does take dye beautifully with regular dyes. (its a short fiber made from regenerated wood pulp- there are lots of hydrogen bonding points for the dye to "fix" itself to.)
But Silk is woven from long, continuous, protein fibers - it "takes" dyes well, but the dyes don't have as many bonding points on the fibers. I think silk does better with an acid dye if you want the dye to remain be fadeless or non-fugitive (non-running.)
Do the two pieces have to "match" exactly? or just be close? or complement each other?
Even if they "match" when you first dye them as a one-piece garment, the two pieces will likely fade/run at different rates.
The other thing to consider is that Silk is a protein fiber while rayon is cellulose. Rayon does take dye beautifully with regular dyes. (its a short fiber made from regenerated wood pulp- there are lots of hydrogen bonding points for the dye to "fix" itself to.)
But Silk is woven from long, continuous, protein fibers - it "takes" dyes well, but the dyes don't have as many bonding points on the fibers. I think silk does better with an acid dye if you want the dye to remain be fadeless or non-fugitive (non-running.)
Do the two pieces have to "match" exactly? or just be close? or complement each other?
Even if they "match" when you first dye them as a one-piece garment, the two pieces will likely fade/run at different rates.
All extremely good points...
1. I dye silk with fiber-reactive dyes, because the pieces I'm making aren't likely to be washed very much (scarves, veils). I know that these dyes will work on rayon... but yeah, likely quite differently than on silk.
2. I could probably live without them matching exactly.
3. Part of my problem is that I do the low-water immersion dye on silk to get all sorts of interesting tonal values. I would just like to add fringe with these tonal values, too, rather than solid fringe, which seems a little... anti-climactic?
Posted on: 3/29/06 11:20 AM ET
A friend of mine dyes rayon ribbon and Venice laces without submerging them because she wants a hand dyed look. She uses squeeze bottles to get really nice variations in color. I think that would work for your fringe as well.
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