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Posted on: 8/4/14 0:22 AM ET
I'm considering selling my Janome 4120 that I've had for only 5 months. I know that I will lose some money on it, but I hope not too much. I have no idea really how to do this. The machine cost me $800 (plus tax, so really 850) - would it be unrealistic to ask $700? It sews extremely well. I just don't like it because it has a faint electronic buzz on some stitches that drives me nuts when I sew late at night, and also because it is fairly small - I will disclose the buzz issue to any buyer, since I like to be upfront about things, but I also know the sound would not bother everyone.

Anyway, I have not yet registered the warranty. Does that mean the new owner could register the warranty and have it be theirs? Or does it not work that way?

I would like to sell locally, since my dealer said he will honor the personal warranty of 5 years free service and repairs with anyone who has the machine with original receipt. But what about Janome's 25 year warranty on parts? Is that still valid?

But if I have to go the Ebay route, what kind of protection would the buyer have?

Or maybe I should try to trade it. Problem is my dealer only sells Janome, and I have no interest in the next level Janomes, and could not afford an MC9900 (which does interest me). There is a dealer about an hour from me that sells both Janome and Juki and might perhaps be willing to do a trade (I'm interested in the F600). How much can usually expect for a trade in?

Sorry for all the questions! But I know there are some people with experience of these sorts of issues who might give helpful advice. Honestly, I might end up not selling the machine at all. It does sew well. I just don't love it, and I'm trying to figure out what my best options are.
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Posted on: 8/4/14 11:53 AM ET
You WILL lose big on a trade to another dealer. Trades are really never a bargain at all. Perhaps if you talked to the Janome dealer you could get your full purchase price of your present machine off that 9900 and finance the machine over time. It surely has wonderful references here on PR. I would hope your Janome dealer would work with you on this as that is your best bet to get some money that counts out of your machine. An alternative is to keep your machine and buy a embroidery only machine. Sometimes taking a bit of time to think things through and use what you have will allow you to actually get what you want!
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Posted on: 8/4/14 1:24 PM ET
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Thanks for the info on trades. I'm kind of new to all this. I sewed on the same old mechanical for years and my sewing hobby only really got off its beginners feet in the last year or so. When I decided on buying a computerized machine earlier this year, it was without having any real clue what I wanted. I do like the 4120. I had some problems with it where it seemed as if the stitches would not program right, but those are now something of the past. The electronic buzz is a common issue, and it is rather faint (many won't even hear it), and it does not affect stitch quality. I know that if I sell it, someone will get a good machine.

I will continue to think about various options! I did discover that the warranty is indeed not transferable. I know my dealer's 5 year free service warranty is, though, which is a pretty sweet deal.
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Main: Janome Skyline S5
Backup machine: Brother SE400
Serger: Brother 1034D
Embroidery: Brother PE770
Vintage collection: Singer 99 hand crank (1914); Singer 15-30 treadle (1921); Singer 201-2 (1951); Singer 221 Featherweight (1953); Japanese Class 15 clone (turquoise, under the name Kingston, late 1950's?).
  
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Posted on: 8/5/14 10:28 AM ET
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Your dealers 5 year promise *IS* a very sweet deal! NO, warranty's do not transfer. However, a backup machine is nice.Happy hunting!
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Posted on: 8/5/14 10:41 AM ET
It is "buyer beware" when buying from an individual. You will be lucky to get $500 if you offer it for sale.

Stick with the dealer you have as he can give you a better deal should you wish to trade up.

Sometimes a new machine is just a little difficult to get use to.

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Posted on: 8/5/14 12:04 PM ET
I recently did a trade-up. It turned out it was far less $$ out of my pocket to go this route, even though I had to pay MSRP on the new machine. If I tried to sell and then purchase the new machine at the sale price, I would have had to come up with more cash for the difference. That being said, it could vary by popularity of a machine and how much it holds its value. It can be a pain to try and sell, pack and ship a machine vs. simply driving to the dealer and working a trade.
  
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Posted on: 8/5/14 3:38 PM ET
In reply to ohsewkaren
For me it's the opposite. If I trade up with my (Janome-only) dealer to the next level Janome that might interest me, which would be the 7700 (the 6300-6600's don't interest me due to their lack of free arm), even if I get it for a great deal like, say $2,000, and the dealer honors the full price of my current machine (which he said he would until February), that means an extra $1,300 or so with taxes included. Right now I can get a Juki F600 for $950 (899 + tax) from a dealer about 2 hours from me, and that's a machine that really seems to be exactly what I want. So even if I keep the 4120 or sell it at a huge loss, I'd still be better off compared to an upgrade from a purely financial perspective (I'm also actually more interested in the Juki than in the 7700). Of course, for me the dilemma is whether I want to do that, and I need to be very sure that I really prefer the Juki over the 4120. The trouble is no one close to me stocks it in order to test drive it - not even the dealer who offered to ship it to me for the great price I just mentioned! I certainly don't want to rush into buying a machine again!

Anyway, it's good to hear from seasoned people how the sewing machine game is played. Maybe I should try to convince my dealer to start selling Juki as well, then
I can use my upgrade option to get the F600!
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Main: Janome Skyline S5
Backup machine: Brother SE400
Serger: Brother 1034D
Embroidery: Brother PE770
Vintage collection: Singer 99 hand crank (1914); Singer 15-30 treadle (1921); Singer 201-2 (1951); Singer 221 Featherweight (1953); Japanese Class 15 clone (turquoise, under the name Kingston, late 1950's?).
  
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